file Card Idea: Old Tricks

25 Jul 2012 00:34 #33786 by Juggernaut1981
After thinking about the effect of Scrounged Secrets, I felt that it would be an idea to give 'Old Nosferatu' a new 'trick' for defending themselves along the same lines. The entire idea behind the card is that these old Nosferatu have seen all of these tricks before during their time, they know what is happening and know how to counteract these old repeated tricks with a little effort.



Old Tricks
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Only usable when your predator is acting. Only usable by an older vampire.
Choose a card in your predator's ashheap. Remove X copies from the game out of their ashheap and burn X-1 blood. If the chosen card increases bleed, then this bleed is reduced by X. If the chosen card increases stealth, then the action gains -X stealth. If the card increases votes, then the acting minion gains -X votes.
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25 Jul 2012 04:39 #33794 by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: Card Idea: Old Tricks
Too many Xs and after playign the first copy, I fear you may have trouble playing others...

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25 Jul 2012 05:31 #33796 by Kraus
Replied by Kraus on topic Re: Card Idea: Old Tricks
It's pretty nice. :) Can't really see how this would be problematic in any sense - perhaps a bit costly in the long run, but I think that's the point. Seems very legit.

The only "problem" is the wording, which might be a bit tricky. What about combo cards that do either, both or several of the options? Like, Bonding. Maybe you could try and rephrase the card, that's all.

Other than that, it seems like a cool card. :) And flavourable to boot!

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25 Jul 2012 20:07 #33840 by Juggernaut1981
Kraus,
You'd have to declare when you played the card. So for instance, you could burn copies of Bonding to either reduce stealth or reduce bleed but not both (but this is also just an idea not something that has been playtested and 'ruled' on by PB, so he may read the cardtext differently).

But the idea is that I might remove 3 copies of Kindred Spirits to reduce the current bleed by 3 and so on. Action Modifiers are not the only possible targets for this card. Legendary Vampire could be chosen to reduce either votes or bleed as well.

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26 Jul 2012 03:09 #33847 by direwolf
Replied by direwolf on topic Re: Card Idea: Old Tricks
The card text needs to be simplified. Another problem is that it does too much: it's anti-bleed, anti-stealth and plus-vote.

If it were JUST anti-stealth, then it would be fine, because anti-stealth is more than enough to stop votes and bleed.

I would limit it to anti-bleed and plus-vote.

Also, "if the chosen cards increase votes" is vague enough to be misconstrued. A political action is worth a vote, does that count? Also, Fee Stake cards give a vampire a title (and votes!) does that count?

It would be more concise to "remove political actions" to gain votes, or burn "bleed action cards, and/or action modifier cards that increase bleed" to reduce the bleed.

:tore: :pre: :tem: :aus: Independent Futurist. Contrarian (titled, X votes where X is the number of votes as the acting minion.) Target Vitals is always the better combat card.

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26 Jul 2012 05:59 #33851 by Juggernaut1981
It requires a clan.
It requires an older vampire.
It requires multiple copies of the same card in your predator's ashheap.
It requires a non-reducible blood expense (i.e. Burn not cost).

To compensate for this, it has versatility. Having just anti-stealth won't stop either not wanting to block (i.e. due to superior combat or irritating combat like Form of Mist, etc or not being able to block (i.e. block fails).

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