Submission - Force of Persuasion (bruise and bleed permanent)

My gut feeling is that the card is too cheap, considering its sup effect. I don't really know how would I balance the card, because i like the sup effect, but I feel it should cost one blood at least, but inf effect really should be free...

It should have cost, at least 1 blood, and maybe bleed at +2 for the inferior text.

Kiddo wrote:

My gut feeling is that the card is too cheap, considering its sup effect. I don't really know how would I balance the card, because i like the sup effect, but I feel it should cost one blood at least, but inf effect really should be free...

I am not convinced it should cost a blood. Joumlon Axe is free, +1 bleed retainer are free, both in one, harder to destroy but harder to play being free don't seem unordinate to me.

Don't forget it need two sup' discipline. It should be worth it compared to, say, Preternatural strength.

Too expensive and rather unnecessary. Two superior disciplines to get +1 bleed? That stuff is littered everywhere. And pay for a permanent +1 STR? In superior Potence?

And the basic is completely disposable. Any blood cost added to this card makes the basic version, which requires two basic disciplines, a joke.

Who does this help, it's too expensive for older vampires? And younger vampires just shuffle this away and run Comp Hacks or Camera Phones w/ beat down.

And finally, so what you have a +1 bleed and +1 STR; that just makes you all the more useful as a chump for me to BOUNCE.

Start from the beginning, what makes bruise bleed suck total ass? Because your prey gets to select which action to block. The rest of the actions they select how to either a) use you in their favor, or b) ignore your relevance. How do you null that? You gotta counter bounce and chump blocks in some way.