Submission - Sham Trust (CHI bleed reducer)
16 Nov 2012 08:06 #41088
by Lemminkäinen
to have decent bleed.
Replied by Lemminkäinen on topic Re: Submission - Sham Trust (CHI bleed reducer)
I suppose so if you consider@Ankha:
You mean Draba, Army of Apparitions and Steadfastness don't cut it for you already?
Chimerstry already strikes me as close to the Swiss-Army-Knife of VTES. Decent bleed

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16 Nov 2012 08:09 #41089
by Kiddo
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I'm not really fond of the card that, on sup, can both reduce bleed by potentially a lot AND send a vampire to torpor afterwards. If it were made to steal 2 blood instead of dealing damage, I'd be okay with that.
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16 Nov 2012 08:20 #41093
by Lemminkäinen
Replied by Lemminkäinen on topic Re: Submission - Sham Trust (CHI bleed reducer)
Ooh, as a steal effect you could have the superior effect costing one blood.I'm not really fond of the card that, on sup, can both reduce bleed by potentially a lot AND send a vampire to torpor afterwards. If it were made to steal 2 blood instead of dealing damage, I'd be okay with that.
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16 Nov 2012 10:00 #41097
by Klaital
Replied by Klaital on topic Re: Submission - Sham Trust (CHI bleed reducer)
That card should cost a blood, its way too good for a free card, Chimerstry has very few free cards. Also the superior should have 'a minion can have only one Sham Trust' text added. And also the superior should read 'You still control this card' as otherwise its that persons vampires who could burn it.

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16 Nov 2012 10:08 #41098
by Ohlmann
It's why it should be free for me. The average cost of chimestry card is already a bit over one blood. If the card is too powerful, it should be made weaker but still free, not the other way around.
On another note, changing the superior to burn blood instead of doing damage would already be a significant nerf. I suppose it's damage in order to better punish Villein abuse.
"Unique" on the superior effect would make the card limited to once per turn in effect, since all bleed would happen before you have a chance to burn it. "A minion can have only one Sham Trust" would be a more gentle nerf
Replied by Ohlmann on topic Re: Submission - Sham Trust (CHI bleed reducer)
Chimerstry has very few free cards.
It's why it should be free for me. The average cost of chimestry card is already a bit over one blood. If the card is too powerful, it should be made weaker but still free, not the other way around.
On another note, changing the superior to burn blood instead of doing damage would already be a significant nerf. I suppose it's damage in order to better punish Villein abuse.
"Unique" on the superior effect would make the card limited to once per turn in effect, since all bleed would happen before you have a chance to burn it. "A minion can have only one Sham Trust" would be a more gentle nerf
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16 Nov 2012 10:33 - 16 Nov 2012 10:34 #41100
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: Submission - Sham Trust (CHI bleed reducer)
Well, there are quite a lot of good suggestions there. I switched from "burn blood" to damage before posting the final version because it was too weak to be worth an action. Steal blood would be better than "burn blood" but still weaker than dealing damage which is more a real threat.
Limiting it to 1 per minion will force the player to take advantage of it as soon as possible (=before the next big bleed) which is a good thing.
Name: Sham Trust
Cardtype: Reaction
Discipline: Chimestry
[chi] Reduce a bleed against you by 1.
[CHI] Only usable when a bleed action against you would be successful. You do not burn more than 1 pool, regardless of the amount of the bleed. Put this card on the acting minion. You still control this card. Any vampire you control may burn this card to deal 2 damage on that minion as a +1 stealth
action. A minion can have only one Sham Trust.
Limiting it to 1 per minion will force the player to take advantage of it as soon as possible (=before the next big bleed) which is a good thing.
Name: Sham Trust
Cardtype: Reaction
Discipline: Chimestry
[chi] Reduce a bleed against you by 1.
[CHI] Only usable when a bleed action against you would be successful. You do not burn more than 1 pool, regardless of the amount of the bleed. Put this card on the acting minion. You still control this card. Any vampire you control may burn this card to deal 2 damage on that minion as a +1 stealth

Last edit: 16 Nov 2012 10:34 by Ankha.
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