Homoncular Servant - Harbinger Retainer

The problem is that Giovanni already have all of the interesting zombies (except Reanimated) as clan allies. Adding in NEC cards MUST take into account all of the Gio-specific cards they already have.

Juggernaut1981 wrote:

The problem is that Giovanni already have all of the interesting zombies (except Reanimated) as clan allies. Adding in NEC cards MUST take into account all of the Gio-specific cards they already have.

That still doesn't mean that all the other vampires with necromancy should be shafted.

Juggernaut1981 wrote:

Pulse @ AUS
Revelations @ aus
Get Masquer Wraiths
Make Shamblers

... I'm just basically trying to come up with thematically plausible cards that may actually help Harbingers, since people have whinged they are useless. And the trick seems to be Clan cards.

Good idea, but can't they just use Freak Drive?

Juggernaut1981 wrote:

The problem is that Giovanni already have all of the interesting zombies (except Reanimated) as clan allies. Adding in NEC cards MUST take into account all of the Gio-specific cards they already have.

This isn't really accurate. You can add as many new Necromancy cards as you like, the problem is making new cards that favor non-Giovanni clans as much or more. That's a difficult and interesting problem because the Giovanni have good clan cards and Dominate.

Juggernaut1981 wrote:

The problem is that Giovanni already have all of the interesting zombies (except Reanimated) as clan allies. Adding in NEC cards MUST take into account all of the Gio-specific cards they already have.

Giovanni have Khazar's Diary so the card cannot be unique to not further help this already decent archetype. Giovanni have dominate and potence, while harbringers have fortitude and auspex. To help you need to take into account their crypt choices and viable archetypes, and how the created card affect them.

Given they have and , wallish strategy seems painfully obvious. Another interesting sub-theme is blood denial (Lazarene Inquisitor) and milling the deck.

@Lech
So they can become:
A Grinder Wall that can't lunge (No Dominate)
A Combat Wall that doesn't hit hard (Not !Salubri or Osebo)
The Brinkmanship Clan (Because apparently that works awesome-sauce)

What else are they going to do? NEC seems the way to enhance them, Samedi and Nagaraja.

NEC seems to suggest retainers (like a Rutor's Hand and others), allies, ashheap management, manipulate wraiths/zombies/vampire bodies... but you have to make sure that it won't aid the Giovanni's in their already strong areas (Classic Powerbleed, Khazar's Diary, Guillermo's Real Estate)

There needs to be more NEC+for or aus cards. both help harbingers, and aus helps nagaraja, and for helps samedi. and, lady constantia (a capadocian , to be fair) is the only Giovanni to benefit all 3 capadocian disciplines.

so, maybe some combat aid with for NEC and some blocking and ashheap stuff with aus NEC, and 3 clans benefit especially the shafted HoS. also, hordes doesn't get better, or Giovanni while doing it.

I still think a HoS clan card or cards is needed, tho.