Submission - Billboard #1 (Melpominee action that provides stealth)

I disagree that DoC need any more stealth. They already have MEL stealth card and their own stealth location and an 'unblockable action' card and an unconditional block fail. Also, most of their actions (politics, choir actions...) are already on +1 stealth and g5-6 have access to OBF and they can use Creepshow Casino.

They may lack lots of stuff, but imho stealth isn't one of them.

I have to agree. Maybe instead of granting stealth, its like a path that makes melpominee cost one less. Again, not that even that is needed. Daughters arent bad right now, they are only hindered by lack of standing votes other than conductor and fee stakes, and the scarcity of sirens lure. Maybe havin a melpominee card trifle action that at superior gives the vamp 1 additional vote in all referenums would help the former, whilst print on demand will help the latter.

I like how useful the outferior is, but im unsure if its too good or not. Im currently leaning toward not, just because art scam, untap, then that isnt as practical as just artscam, untap, and virtually anything else. Especially when i only think 3 !torries can forced march, and patronage to then gain back its cost is dumb.

ReverendRevolver wrote:

IMaybe havin a melpominee card trifle action that at superior gives the vamp 1 additional vote in all referenums would help the former, whilst print on demand will help the latter.

Personally, what I find Daughters really lack, while remaining within their fluff limitations (can't block/react, can't bounce) is either better or wider choice of vampires.
G2-3 lacks a decent 3-cap and/or a 5+cap (Fee Stake), g4-5 lacks a decent midcap (I mean, Evil Jensen, a 6-cap with only ?) or just more vamps with and g5-6 just lacks another solid vamp.

However, both bridge vamps are actually superb (Yseult and Janet)

I'd also like some other ways for Daughters to gain titles, other than Fee Stakes. Perhaps some -based Praxis Seizure/Crusade type card, but I don't know how that fits in their fluff, them being all over the place, sect-wise (in vtes).

I have to disagree on them lacking good crypt, group 2-3 crypt is really strong, and with conductor and bastille you don't really need titles to pass stuff. Group 4 is more focused on PRE than MEL, if you want MEL go with group 2. All groups aren't supposed to be identical.

Klaital wrote:

if you want MEL go with group 2.

Perhaps you're right, but I disagree - when it comes to clans with exotic disciplines, those that other clan vamps don't have at all and those you cannot get through masters and equipment, I expect a fair share of in-clan vamps with said discipline on superior. Differences between groups imho should be amongst two other disciplines. I wanted MEL so I went with Daugters, if I wanted PRE or FOR, I'd have gone to any other clan that has it as a clan discipline, and I'd find wider variety of vamps with those diciplines.

Therefore, personally I don't have a problem with, for example g5-6, which has disciplines all over the place (8-cap with , 5-cap without any ) because they have good spread and you can make them work.

I agree that g2-3 may be the strongest, but even there you have very lacking vampires, like Gael with only (and a very mild disability) and Muse, a 3-cap with 2 inferior clan disciplines and a crippling disability. It is still the best group, just because it has 3 vamps with - even with its lack of all-around , they can be made, and often are made, into a successful political and/or bleed deck.

But I digress...I'm just saying that I'd like more solid vamps for Bloodlines clans. It's really sad that when they had the last chance of plugging holes in Bloodlines, they produced such stinkers as Evil Jensen or Sylvie Helgon (mini-rant over).