[submission] Temporis

Roleplaying consitency should not be a part Vtes relexion ( because a renegade garou with sport bike and a hawg kill the rôlay part of vtes).
Which other card? Because i didnt see many true brujah deck before summon history. To expensive vampire for the benefit hey could provide.

guilhem wrote:

Roleplaying consitency should not be a part Vtes relexion ( because a renegade garou with sport bike and a hawg kill the rôlay part of vtes).

Everyone is entitled to its opinion, but it should be a part. Not a big enough part to justify overpowered cards or underpowered clan, but still

guilhem wrote:

Which other card? Because i didnt see many true brujah deck before summon history. To expensive vampire for the benefit hey could provide.

Example : www.secretlibrary.info/index.php?deck=view&id=10327
(a bit cheating since it's long after Summon History was printed, but it nonetheless don't even use Summon)

Domain of evernight, Outside the Hourglass are the usual suspect in addition to Summon history. Rewind Time, Clotho's Gift, and Tangle Atropos's hand are also all very powerful card.

Also, the fact that temporis card are of above-average power don't mean that it's dominate ; just that coupling it with dominate can end pretty badly.

guilhem wrote:

Roleplaying consitency should not be a part Vtes relexion ( because a renegade garou with sport bike and a hawg kill the rôlay part of vtes).
Which other card? Because i didnt see many true brujah deck before summon history. To expensive vampire for the benefit hey could provide.

If you givr renegade garou a sport bike and a hawg, or ANY TWO VEHICLES SIMULTANIOUSLY for that matter, i have decidedly non-lore related issues on you playing vtes against me

Anyway, the lore has to be part of it, but is it justifiable to make shit that is powerful, fun, allows more depth, and allthe while outside of lore? Hell yes. Look @ Enkil Cog. I think somebody told me the name is from Anne Rice fiction.

But we do have to stick to the lore at least some. I think Ohlmann and a cubic buttload of other folks were involved in the lore conversation with me awhile back, about deflection being too strong, and dominate in general, since presumably 6+ dots in it would equal superior.....

So, temporis is strong, and needs to be the rarest of rare. You cant just worship satan like you would with daimonion or striga or malficia. You cant join some damn sterilexhippies like spiritus. You cant even chill out with some samedi(who are, while rare, actually prssent in pretty much every sect in fluff) and learn it. The trujah dont share. They hate that whore Triole, and are enigmatic time benders. Thats thier two big ways to relate to the world.

In vtes, they typically just ignore thier inclans other than temporis quite often(the g5 bh trujah only has temporis of the three inclans, he has more malkavian/HoS/!ventrue in clan disciplines than tru bru ones). So, what point are they if Arika can have superior temporis?

I forgot to mwntion that amulet of temporal perception also allows base temporis. Even if you ignore the lore, temporis doeznt need to be more common. Thanatosis, maybe. Not for mechanical reasons, but pressing flesh and putrescent servitude help imbued/ vamp team ups, and tzimitsce(grappling war ghouls, oh my).

I guess my point is: why do you feel there needs to be temporis available as a skill card when no other bloodline has one and gemporis is plainly able to win tournaments without it?

No argument yiu have a logical set of rules with the anti celerity stuff, but i see no compelling game need, and no lore reference or justification.

I can't understand why you are all so strongly against this idea.

I mean, with the ban of lilith's blessing, there is NO more skill fetching cards and so master skill are again weack card and I don't see ANYONE playing this card in anything but a casual deck.