Submission - Long-term plan

Oh, I don't know. I could imagine creating a powerful card that - as a balancing factor - gave my predator or prey an additional master phase action next turn.

I doubt that would be that much of a drawback...

kombainas wrote:

Oh, I don't know. I could imagine creating a powerful card that - as a balancing factor - gave my predator or prey an additional master phase action next turn.

I doubt that would be that much of a drawback...

I agree. Here we go with real drawback:

Tap this card to gain an extra masterphase action. While this card is tapped, any methuselah may burn 2 blood or 2 conviction on any minion they control(ready or otherwise) to cancel a master card you play as it is played . If they do, you burn one pool.
If yoi control this card and the parthenon at the start of your minion phase, and they are both tapped, burn the parthenon and 6 pool, and this card does not untap as normal during your next untap phase."

Ok, now im ok printing another mmpa card, if it reads like that.

kombainas wrote:

Oh, I don't know. I could imagine creating a powerful card that - as a balancing factor - gave my predator or prey an additional master phase action next turn.

I doubt that would be that much of a drawback...

And yet it works really well on Wash, which is pretty darned good.

A cost of one pool for a second master phase action on a single turn? I don't think so.

Banking a master phase action is not all that great. If that was all it did, It should not have a cost.

"Long-Term Plan"
Master.
Unique. Put this card in play. You may bun this card during your master phase to have two master phase actions instead of one.

The only thing a card such as this is useful for is filler. It helps you fill your quota of master cards if you have fewer copies of the cards you are using than you need.

If you look at "Ashur's Tablets" you GAIN 3 pool for 3 master phase actions (in addition to the other effects.)

using that as a guide, I would make such a card:

"Withhold Favor"
Unique Master.
Put this card in play. Burn this card during you master phase to have two master phase actions (instead of one) and gain one pool.

Hey look at that, it's an "Ascendance." Whoohoo, At least it's on par with Ashur's... oh, wait it's not.

Edit: all references to ltp were supposex to be to direwolfs withheld favor. I misread. Oops.

Its not a good idea to give mmpa decks more cards to get mpas. Anson wasnt broken until girls deck came along, even with liquidation and tablets. Now, mpas are takimg the place of minion actions, which isnt what the game is supposed to do.

No more cards or minions should grant mpas. EVER. Other than triflez, obviously. Its a step away from the xore of the game, minion interactions.

Direwolf, your card is, as stated, wallpaper for normal decks. Tablets is a perfect card if tbey add "minion" before cards and after 13.

But, even a throw away mpa maker is game breaking for girls decks.

Turn one, parthenon, tap, ltp. Move beads. Turn two, burn ltp, zillahs, zillahs, tap parthenon, zillahs.. moce beads. Flip Anksynia and cybele. Welcome to timeoutville.
Later in the game, as soon as you want, villein aksynia, play ltp, tap parthenon to play wider view, use cybele to play jake washington. Gain pool from wider view. Next turn, villein cybele, burn ltp, play liquidation and 3 tablets.

Lets recap. 22 pool spent. Quickly. 23 with wider view. 2 gained from ltp, so 21. 2 from widr view. 19. Assuming both minions were left 1 bead, villein 8 and 7. 4 pool spent. 3 liquidation, 1 pool. 3 from tablets, -2. Its turn 5, girls dexk has 32 pool and both key minions plus parthenon. And jake washington. Or if instead of him tjey played another liquidation, 35 pool.

Its not 100% likely, but its easily possible.

So, a card lile that should never see print.

"Gain more master phase actions" should be not printed anymore.

Instead, " if this action is sucessful, this minion may untap" should be added to an action card everytime we even consider strengtbening the master phase.

If you wouldnt want deep song or govern to be a triflexaction, no more master phases are needed.

jamesatzephyr wrote:

kombainas wrote:

Oh, I don't know. I could imagine creating a powerful card that - as a balancing factor - gave my predator or prey an additional master phase action next turn.

I doubt that would be that much of a drawback...

And yet it works really well on Wash, which is pretty darned good.

I agree 4 billion% that wash granting the person whose master phase you tried to bone an extra mpa is an adequate drawback for a trifle sudden.

But you also do not replace it until your next untap.

And you can only target yiur predator or prey.

Only two of those drawbacks would be what i deem NECISARY. but, even all 3 drawbacks and itz a very useful card, optimal for stealthbleed, infact.

But its not an appropriate drawback for a master card that grants mpas.

But i believe i misread what james was getting at. Did you mean a card that grants you and someone else extra mpas, or a carx that oes something badass for a reduced cost, but also grants your prey orxpredator mpas?

Like:

Captain kickass.
Pander
G6
Capacity 5
[CEL][FOR][POT]
Sabbat. Captain kickass may enter combat with any ready camarilla vampire controlled by your predator orxprey as a action. In combat against a titled camarilla vampire, captain kickass gets +1 strength, may prevent 1 non aggravated damafe each round, and may burn a blood to gain an additional strike once eaxh combat. While captain kickass is ready, yoir prey gets an additional master phase action. While he is in torpor, yoir predator gains an additional master phase action.

Over the top, but thats what you meant, right?

Or maybe:

Mindf#@£
Action
Dem chi
2 blood.
Chi: tap a minion
dem chi: put this card on a minion controlled by you prey. The minion with this card cannot block any minion with dementation and chimestry unlesz he or she moves all of thief blood or life (it becomez blood) to the acting vampire with dem chi. While the minion with this card is ready, its controller gains an additional master phaze action. Burn this card if the minion sucessfully blocks a vamoire with dem chi and is still ready at the end of the action.
DEM CHI as above, but @+1 stealth.

Still over the top, but what you meant?