Fun fun with master cards

Ankha wrote:

Charles_Bronson wrote:

Why not:

Event: Fear of Antidiluvians
Type: Inconnu
Every master card played after the first during each methuselah master phase cost an additional pool.


This way you can serious hunt some MPA decks, while others could pay the pool if they want (or can).

Because it cripples cards such as Life in the City.

And is it so big an issue?

Event tend to generally have an impact on the game. Scourge of the enochian criple embrace-like and every small vamp. Unmasking cripple KRC. And so on...

On the other hand, I dislike cards speacking of "first MPA". IMO it tends to add confusion to the game "aren't we suppose to play only one anyway?"

In this regard, I would prefer a card with a more heavy cost (require gehena(s) and/or do not replace until...) and a more generic effect "master cards cost an additional pool."

But actually I like better the first proposal but I will change the "you can't play master card" with "you can't use MPA"

Timo wrote:

And is it so big an issue?

yes, because the one most affected use a non-overpowered card which is both simple and useful. And a lot of other niche use trifle master, like Hand Contract for example.

Timo wrote:

And is it so big an issue?

Yes. Taking the legs out from under perfectly decent, not-overpowered cards is pretty significant collateral damage. Deciding that Dominate bleed was too powerful and screwing around with every source of increased bleed in the game would be pretty bad, too.

The deck that was hoping to play Life in the City for some blood gain on some turns, and also play normal master cards too, isn't causing a problem for the game. But the card sticks around in the game for potentially a long time (2, 3, 4, 5 cycles round the table), assuming that that deck spends MPAs to get rid of it - and is having trouble playing any master cards at all. (Maybe it can get help from another player, maybe not.) The MMPA deck with, say, Anson + Parthenon can throw three MPAs at it on turn one (which might be enough), and can get the fourth and fifth counters next turn if necessary. So the MMPA deck basically takes on master phase off. If careful/a little lucky, you can also play, say, Villein as a Trifle, get the card (because someone else already has it), then throw your three MPAs at it.

Timo wrote:

On the other hand, I dislike cards speacking of "first MPA". IMO it tends to add confusion to the game "aren't we suppose to play only one anyway?"

Make the text more newbie friendly then: "If you have or gain any additional master phase actions, blah blah blah."

What if you'd take control of the card only if when you play non-trifle master cards ? Though I wouldn't have mind the card hindering the use of good trifles like Villein, Vessel even though it would hose Lifes and my beloved Aye deck.
I also would combo strongly with Wash, wouldn't it ?

Or allow any Methuselah to use MPA to add counters on the card ? Which would give the option to ask for cross table help (if one of your allies has a spare MPA and you think the card will affect your master cards flow).

Or set the amount of counters to burn the card to 3 ?

Lets get back to playing vtes on this whole issue.

Severing invisable strings
Action
+1 stealth d action. Chose a location or minion in play that allows a methuselah more than one master phase action. Put this card or that minion or location. No additional master phases can be gained due to the effects of any minion or location with this card on it.
At the end of this action, the acting minion untaps (sucessful or not).

Free action, to balance the fact that its an action at all. Also narrow as hell compared to seeds of corruption, mind of a child, or other minion screws.

I think such a card is too much "silver-bulletish" for my tastes.

I'd prefer a design that would have a general effect that would incidentally harm multiple MPA, hence my original suggestion.