submission: clan elder (primogen card)
22 Apr 2015 10:00 #70662
by snegiem
submission: clan elder (primogen card) was created by snegiem
Name: clan elder
Cardtype: master
Cost: 0
put this card on a primogen you control.
this primogen gets one additionnal vote on referendums he calls.
Younger members of the same clan that this vampire must spend one blood to attempt to block him. during your untap, you can move a blood from a younger member of this clan to this vampire.
any older camarilla vampire of the same clan can steal this card from this vampire as a +1 stealth action.
any vampire of the same clan can call a referendum to burn this card as a +1 stealth action. members of the clan gets an additionnal vote in that referendum.
Flavor text: to be a primogen implies you lived centuries and ... specially survived the kindred petty games all that times...
Art notes: a very "old" nosferatu surrounded by younger.
World of Darkness reference: the primogen were usually the eldest member of a clan in a city.
How does this card address a compelling game need?: very few cards interacts with primogen. they don t have as much assets as princes or justicar or even most sabbat titles...
Created by: thomas langaret
Cardtype: master
Cost: 0
put this card on a primogen you control.
this primogen gets one additionnal vote on referendums he calls.
Younger members of the same clan that this vampire must spend one blood to attempt to block him. during your untap, you can move a blood from a younger member of this clan to this vampire.
any older camarilla vampire of the same clan can steal this card from this vampire as a +1 stealth action.
any vampire of the same clan can call a referendum to burn this card as a +1 stealth action. members of the clan gets an additionnal vote in that referendum.
Flavor text: to be a primogen implies you lived centuries and ... specially survived the kindred petty games all that times...
Art notes: a very "old" nosferatu surrounded by younger.
World of Darkness reference: the primogen were usually the eldest member of a clan in a city.
How does this card address a compelling game need?: very few cards interacts with primogen. they don t have as much assets as princes or justicar or even most sabbat titles...
Created by: thomas langaret
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22 Apr 2015 11:28 #70663
by Ashur
"My strategy? Luck is my strategy, of course."
Replied by Ashur on topic Re: submission: clan elder (primogen card)
I like the idea of strenghtening the Primogen, but I think the card you suggest is too weak. Especially because its a non-trifle Master card.
My take:
Name: Councilor
Cardtype: Action
Cost: 0
+1 stealth action. Requires a Primogen.
Put this card on this acting vampire and untap him or her. During a referendum, the Councilor can burn 1 blood to gain 1 additional vote. During your untap, you can move a blood from a member of the Councilors clan to the Councilor. Any vampire of the same clan can call a referendum to burn this card as a +1 stealth action.
... or you can make a whole bunch of this kind of Primogen cards, with various effects.
My take:
Name: Councilor
Cardtype: Action
Cost: 0
+1 stealth action. Requires a Primogen.
Put this card on this acting vampire and untap him or her. During a referendum, the Councilor can burn 1 blood to gain 1 additional vote. During your untap, you can move a blood from a member of the Councilors clan to the Councilor. Any vampire of the same clan can call a referendum to burn this card as a +1 stealth action.
... or you can make a whole bunch of this kind of Primogen cards, with various effects.
"My strategy? Luck is my strategy, of course."
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23 Apr 2015 05:01 #70679
by direwolf
Independent Futurist. Contrarian (titled, X votes where X is the number of votes as the acting minion.) Target Vitals is always the better combat card.
Replied by direwolf on topic Re: submission: clan elder (primogen card)
There is a lot of text on a card with such a small impact on the game.
I would recommend streamlining the effects of the card. A master card that helps define what the vampire does would fit the description of an Archetype. Based on what you are trying to do I propose the following:
"Luminary"
Master. Trifle. Archetype.
Put this card on a vampire you control. This vampire has +1 votes on referendums she calls. If this vampire is a Primogen, vampires of the same clan as this vampire may burn 1 blood for 1 vote during a referendum. A vampire may only have one archetype.
I would recommend streamlining the effects of the card. A master card that helps define what the vampire does would fit the description of an Archetype. Based on what you are trying to do I propose the following:
"Luminary"
Master. Trifle. Archetype.
Put this card on a vampire you control. This vampire has +1 votes on referendums she calls. If this vampire is a Primogen, vampires of the same clan as this vampire may burn 1 blood for 1 vote during a referendum. A vampire may only have one archetype.




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23 Apr 2015 09:44 #70687
by snegiem
Replied by snegiem on topic Re: submission: clan elder (primogen card)
Name: clan elder
Cardtype: master. Trifle.
Cost: 0
put this card on a primogen you control. A vampire can have only one clan elder.
this primogen gets one additionnal vote on referendums he calls.
Younger members of the same clan that this vampire must spend one blood to attempt to block him.
during your untap, you can move a blood from a younger member of this clan to this vampire.
any older vampire of the same clan can burn this card as a +1 stealth action.
As i began with the roleplaying game, it is sometimes hard to me to not try to stick at the ropleplaying concept rather than to the card mechanisms...
in the rpg (both sitting around a table or at the standing one called masquarade), the primogens could be:
- the eldest member of a camarilla clan
- the eldest vampires in the city
(Exemple: in chicago both tyler and critias were brujah primogens of the city and both were more than 400 year old and lodin the city prince were more or less the puppet to the will of the primogens
on the contrary in washington the primogens were all far younger than marcus vitel and some of them were not even the eldest of their clan consequently they wielded very fewer power)
So i wanted to make a card reflecting as well the inner balance of the clans and the conflicts between younger and elder members.
about the game card mechanisms, i wanted to put it as a master (and it s true i shall have made it trifle) as actions can be blocked and as you both said it is already a "weak card".
so new try:
Cardtype: master. Trifle.
Cost: 0
put this card on a primogen you control. A vampire can have only one clan elder.
this primogen gets one additionnal vote on referendums he calls.
Younger members of the same clan that this vampire must spend one blood to attempt to block him.
during your untap, you can move a blood from a younger member of this clan to this vampire.
any older vampire of the same clan can burn this card as a +1 stealth action.
As i began with the roleplaying game, it is sometimes hard to me to not try to stick at the ropleplaying concept rather than to the card mechanisms...
in the rpg (both sitting around a table or at the standing one called masquarade), the primogens could be:
- the eldest member of a camarilla clan
- the eldest vampires in the city
(Exemple: in chicago both tyler and critias were brujah primogens of the city and both were more than 400 year old and lodin the city prince were more or less the puppet to the will of the primogens
on the contrary in washington the primogens were all far younger than marcus vitel and some of them were not even the eldest of their clan consequently they wielded very fewer power)
So i wanted to make a card reflecting as well the inner balance of the clans and the conflicts between younger and elder members.
about the game card mechanisms, i wanted to put it as a master (and it s true i shall have made it trifle) as actions can be blocked and as you both said it is already a "weak card".
so new try:
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23 Apr 2015 09:52 #70688
by snegiem
Replied by snegiem on topic Re: submission: clan elder (primogen card)
By the way direwolf, i really like your card luminary... it s simple and efficient...
only one point bothers me : its name ...
archetype reflects a kind of personnality and except if i make mistakes in english the word luminary is not a kind ofpersonnality. For instance typical list of archetype did include: seductive, architect, visionary...
The first of them "seductor" would suit very well your card i think.
only one point bothers me : its name ...
archetype reflects a kind of personnality and except if i make mistakes in english the word luminary is not a kind ofpersonnality. For instance typical list of archetype did include: seductive, architect, visionary...
The first of them "seductor" would suit very well your card i think.
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