file Submission: Earth Spawn

23 Apr 2016 12:58 - 27 Apr 2016 05:24 #76618 by Maddog
Earth Spawn

Gargoyle

Cost: 1 pool

Card type: Unique Master.

Put this card in play. Recruiting an ally, retainer or Hatchling cost a Gargoyle 1 less blood or pool. Only usable by a Gargoyle with a capacity above 2. This card may be destroyed as a -1 stealth (D) action.

Trying to increase recruitment affordability for gargoyle only decks, without allowing tupdogs to access this card.

Rock cats, stone dogs & razorbats are not very affordable & as a result don't see much play.
Last edit: 27 Apr 2016 05:24 by Maddog.

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23 Apr 2016 13:34 #76620 by ReverendRevolver

Earth Spawn

Gargoyle

Cost: 1 pool

Card type: Master.

Put this card in play. Recruiting an ally, retainer or Hatchling cost a Gargoyle 1 less blood or pool. Only usable by a Gargoyle with a capacity above 2. This card may be destroyed as a -1 stealth (D) action.

Trying to increase recruitment afordability for gargoyle only decks, without allowing tupdogs to access this card.

Rock cats, stone dogs & razorbats are not very affordable & as a result don't see much play.


As someone who has played gargoyles, and tried to make the whole "not slave" thing work, I can honestly say the bat and dog are 2 of thebest tools gargoyles have, and the cat is great as well. But, pool defense being dummy corp and keep it simple made it rarely viable to use these. Bat is amazing, if you can afford it.

I like how this is non unique, since paying a pool is going to hurt anyway, and you used an MPA that,could have been tension, fame, PB monty , dummy corp, etc.

Looks cool.
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23 Apr 2016 13:38 #76621 by GreyB
Replied by GreyB on topic Submission: Earth Spawn
Thought long and hard about this as well, think the best way to go about this is an action card that actually recruits the Gargoyle Creature at a reduced cost (like Jack of both Sides). Or something along the lines of Ravnos Cache. However, I would rather not waste cards on this at all at this point.

The alternative is to just come up with new Gargoyle Creatures requiring Independent Gargoyles and leave the current ones for Slave oriented decks.

I actually play Razor Bats without cost reduction (or using Jack of both Sides), it's cost is not so bad if Gargoyles had better means to regain pool, but yeah would be better if it was only 1 pool.

I would actually leave this alone and suggest a future errata reducing the cost of each Gargoyle Creature by 1 pool and just come up with cool new Gargoyle Creatures.

:garg: :VIS: :POT: :FOR: :flight: -1 Strength

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23 Apr 2016 19:57 - 24 Apr 2016 00:02 #76626 by Maddog
Replied by Maddog on topic Submission: Earth Spawn
I wanted this to be non-unique for the purpose of staking them to greatly reduce costs, and not having to place a whole lot of action cards in deck. The -1 intercept is to represent the clans defensive sentinel abilities.

I enjoy playing gargoyles, even role played one in the Rpg. I like hatchling swarm, none shall pass, trem/trem ant gargoyle mix, Independant/slave mix however they are very restricted by slave status and need more independents. Leading to play Tupdogs to be incredibly efficient with slaves. Without stuffing your deck with "soul of the earth" only playable by trem/trem anti, which makes it cluncky and requiring non-gargoyles.

If Soul of the earth(or something similar ) was usable by gargoyles, more of us would use more clan allies & retainers.

My tupdog/Rock Cat deck works nicely, however Tupdogs shouldn't be the single most powerful thing about the clan in my opinion.

The amount of gargoyle cards I have in my collection is huge, due to players giving up on this clan & selling/trading to me, for other clans being more viable options.

Also I agree Razor Bat should have a cost of 1 pool. Or maybe 2 blood cost. I've stopped using them a long time ago for other cheaper more useful intercept masters/retainer/equipment combo's.
I also got annoyed at paying 2 pool & having them destroyed by ranged combat.
Last edit: 24 Apr 2016 00:02 by Maddog.

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27 Apr 2016 05:26 #76673 by Maddog
Replied by Maddog on topic Submission: Earth Spawn
Have changed to Unique Master, as to have multiple is a tad overpowered.

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