file Deviant (archetype)

21 Dec 2016 07:40 #79643 by direwolf
Deviant (archetype) was created by direwolf
Deviant
Master: archetype.
Put this card a vampire you control. Once per turn, when this vampire successfully bleeds a Methuselah other than your prey this vampire gains a blood. A vampire may only have one archetype.

Flavor text: "Some people just want to watch the world burn."

Compelling game need: we should encourage kindred spirits backousting and stealthing through your deflected bleeds.

:tore: :pre: :tem: :aus: Independent Futurist. Contrarian (titled, X votes where X is the number of votes as the acting minion.) Target Vitals is always the better combat card.
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22 Dec 2016 21:31 #79686 by jamesatzephyr
Replied by jamesatzephyr on topic Deviant (archetype)

Compelling game need: we should encourage kindred spirits backousting and stealthing through your deflected bleeds.


I don't see that encouraging backousting is a "compelling game need", just an explanation of what the card would do. Back-ousting already works to an extent, but runs counter to the predator-prey dynamic, so I'm not sure it's something that needs boosting.

I quite like the idea of something that interacts with bleed-bounce, though.
Wily
Master: archetype. Trifle.
Put this card on a vampire you control. Once per turn, if this vampire is bleeding and a card played by another Methuselah changes the target of the bleed, this vampire gains a blood. A vampire can have only one archetype.

Art note: a coyote in the desert, fiddling with a signpost at a fork in the road.

Why would I play it rather than Perfectionist? Maybe you wouldn't, but it's a trifle and it's playable by a low stealth deck that might not always succeed. Possibly one that gathers up a few bleed modifiers onto a single vampire, but mostly low stealth.

I thought about giving it an extra ability (e.g. "Burn this card to cancel a card that would change the target..."), but felt that that would need an upgrade to a full master, and I think Trifle-ness as a way of differentiating it from Perfectionist (and Capitalist, I guess) is important, given that the blood gain is conditional.

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23 Dec 2016 06:41 #79694 by direwolf
Replied by direwolf on topic Deviant (archetype)
James, please check your sarcasm meter. Replace your batteries every 6 months :)

:tore: :pre: :tem: :aus: Independent Futurist. Contrarian (titled, X votes where X is the number of votes as the acting minion.) Target Vitals is always the better combat card.

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28 Dec 2016 00:01 - 28 Dec 2016 00:07 #79823 by snegiem
Replied by snegiem on topic Deviant (archetype)
I really like your idea direwolf: many vampire has already crosstables bleed abilities (donatien the toreador antitribe cardinal, julia prima the kiasyd,...)... and the idea to find a drawback to bounces...

however the argument from james is not wrong: why shall i put a card emphasing my ability to bleed someone else as i have already perfectionnist to help me to get my prey (or at least to spare blood) ?

So maybe the text shall be a little bit more different:

Deviant
master. Trifle. Archetype.
Put on a vampire you control.
Once per turn, this vampire gains a blood if he successfully makes an action against a methusaleh who is nor your predator nor your prey. A vampire can have only one archetype.

or

At the end of an action made by this vampire, if you or a non predator non prey methuselah has lost one or more pool this action, this vampire may tap this card to gain a blood. A vampire can have only one archetype.
Last edit: 28 Dec 2016 00:07 by snegiem.

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29 Dec 2016 14:47 #79840 by Ashur
Replied by Ashur on topic Deviant (archetype)

Deviant
Master: archetype.
Put this card a vampire you control. Once per turn, when this vampire successfully bleeds a Methuselah other than your prey this vampire gains a blood. A vampire may only have one archetype."

What is the compelling game need for this? I just don´t get the idea :)

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07 Jan 2017 18:02 #80042 by snegiem
Replied by snegiem on topic Deviant (archetype)
Or even:
Deviant
master trifle. Archetype.
at the end of an action made by this vampire, if a methuselah other than your prey has lost one or more pool this action, this vampire may tap this card and pay a blood to untap. A vampire can have only one archetype.

So it uses the same mechanic to untap could used the following ways:
I call a kine ressource contested or another vote which makes eitger the whole table or a selected few methuselah (ideally in addition to my prey) loses pool... i tap this card and pay one blood to untap and then i can stay in defense or do another action (rush,equip, whatever) ... or even if i bleed another methuselah unvoluntary (bounces,...) i can manage to go back to defense myself (or then take replace the lost bleed attempts by maybe tapping for a bounce myself) ... or voluntary (kindred spirit, donatien ability...) in order to weaken a player at the table.

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