Submission: Revenge of the Cappadocians

Name: Revenge of the Cappadocians
Cardtype: Action
Cost: Not applicable
Capacity: Not applicable
Discipline: Necromancy
Clan: Harbinger of Skulls
+1 stealth action.
[nec] Steal 2 blood from a vampire in torpor. Giovanni get -1 intercept when attempting to block this action.
[NEC] As above, but steal 3 blood.

Flavor text: Not applicable.

Art notes: A large right hand looming in a puppetmaster-like manner (without the strings) over a funeral casket.

World of Darkness reference: whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Harbingers_of_Skulls

How does this card address a compelling game need?: It helps to offset the cost of in-clan discipline Necromancy, Fortitude, and Auspex cards, while reflecting their necromantic nature (since Graverobbing is already a Dominate card). It would also help to make the Harbinger of Skulls promo (and hopefully reprinted) Crematorium more viable. Of course, it would also work better if Crematorium was changed from "During your Untap" to "During your Discard".

Created by: Scott Kowalczuk

scott_kowalczuk wrote:

Discipline: Necromancy
Clan: Harbinger of Skulls
+1 stealth action.
[nec] Steal 2 blood from a vampire in torpor. Giovanni get -1 intercept when attempting to block this action.
[NEC] As above, but steal 3 blood.

I'm interested as to why you're proposing a card that requires both a clan and a discipline. If the issue is that:

Then most of Auspex is fairly cheap, and the costs that come with some Fortitude cards (e.g. Freak Drive, Kiss of Ra, Day Op/Daring sort-of, Skin of Steel) are suffered by the Samedi too. So making it Harbingers only seems a bit of a missed opportunity.

If your concern is around Giovanni playing it for whatever reason (it could potentially make Turbo-Shamblers more interesting, for example), you could provide a small detriment to Giovanni taking the action, as well as blocking it. e.g. acting Giovanni don't get the +1 stealth, or the card costs 1 blood (not free) for Giovanni, or something like that.

jamesatzephyr wrote:

I'm interested as to why you're proposing a card that requires both a clan and a discipline. If the issue is that:

offset the cost of in-clan discipline Necromancy, Fortitude, and Auspex cards

Then most of Auspex is fairly cheap, and the costs that come with some Fortitude cards (e.g. Freak Drive, Kiss of Ra, Day Op/Daring sort-of, Skin of Steel) are suffered by the Samedi too. So making it Harbingers only seems a bit of a missed opportunity.

If your concern is around Giovanni playing it for whatever reason (it could potentially make Turbo-Shamblers more interesting, for example), you could provide a small detriment to Giovanni taking the action, as well as blocking it. e.g. acting Giovanni don't get the +1 stealth, or the card costs 1 blood (not free) for Giovanni, or something like that.

Because... screw the Giovanni; they already have Dominate

scott_kowalczuk wrote:

Because... screw the Giovanni; they already have Dominate

But why screw the Samedi? They don't have Dominate.

jamesatzephyr wrote:

But why screw the Samedi? They don't have Dominate.

Then by all means, make some Samedi suggestion threads

scott_kowalczuk wrote:

jamesatzephyr wrote:

But why screw the Samedi? They don't have Dominate.

Then by all means, make some Samedi suggestion threads

But why not just make the card usable by both? The Samedi have a lot of backstory intertwined with the Cappadocians as well, being an offshoot clan of them in some of the source materials. (This being White Wolf, there are often conflicting rumours and the like, but there's a fairly solid connection between them in a number of sources.)

When you could tweak the card in a way that would make it better, without harming the Harbingers' ability to use it in any way, it seems weird to be so intransigent. I would have thought that a card that works for a wider variety of vampires, including Samedi vampires who could do with some help, it's more likely to be the sort of thing you'd print.