Submission: Wayward Corax
11 Sep 2017 15:16 #83491
by ReverendRevolver
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Wayward Corax

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Requires a Primogen.
werewolf with 3 life, 2 strength, 1 bleed.
lock Corax to give any Primogen +1 intercept in the current action. Once each combat, he can Dodge as a strike.if Corax has 2 or fewer life during your unlock phase, he gains a life. Flight
Art notes: a were-raven in it's crinos form equivalent. It's ugly, all stabby talons and oily black feathers. This form is meant to get the Corax out of danger and brutalize anything standing against this objective.
WoD reference: so, Corax is a species of fera (like the garou, bastet, mokole, ratkin, etc) that are were-raven. They have a role from Gaia as Messengers and secret obtainers. They talk constantly, and once they get a secret, must voice it aloud, even just to the wind as a whisper. They aren't super rare as far as dwindling fera populations go either. All my info is from wta 20th changing breeds book and wta 20th.
Game need: helping Primogen. Now, thematically, why would someone who opposes the wyrm aid a vampire? When they're gaining and spreading secrets and getting the wyrm spawn to attack each other.(which is the typical end result of blocking. Also, get it, it becomes a temporary Raven spy...). As for the Methuselah, not even imbued are outside their influence, why would a fera be? Tunnel runners, bastet(even if one of those are presumably Black Tooth's illigitimate daughter) garou, imbued, and anansi seem to get swayed by Methuselah influence anyway.....
Admitatly, the Dodge may be too much.
Curving this down and it costing 4 felt right. In fluff, it's claws are aggravated to everything they attack.we already have a garbage agg poking werewolf though.....


Requires a Primogen.
werewolf with 3 life, 2 strength, 1 bleed.
lock Corax to give any Primogen +1 intercept in the current action. Once each combat, he can Dodge as a strike.if Corax has 2 or fewer life during your unlock phase, he gains a life. Flight

Art notes: a were-raven in it's crinos form equivalent. It's ugly, all stabby talons and oily black feathers. This form is meant to get the Corax out of danger and brutalize anything standing against this objective.
WoD reference: so, Corax is a species of fera (like the garou, bastet, mokole, ratkin, etc) that are were-raven. They have a role from Gaia as Messengers and secret obtainers. They talk constantly, and once they get a secret, must voice it aloud, even just to the wind as a whisper. They aren't super rare as far as dwindling fera populations go either. All my info is from wta 20th changing breeds book and wta 20th.
Game need: helping Primogen. Now, thematically, why would someone who opposes the wyrm aid a vampire? When they're gaining and spreading secrets and getting the wyrm spawn to attack each other.(which is the typical end result of blocking. Also, get it, it becomes a temporary Raven spy...). As for the Methuselah, not even imbued are outside their influence, why would a fera be? Tunnel runners, bastet(even if one of those are presumably Black Tooth's illigitimate daughter) garou, imbued, and anansi seem to get swayed by Methuselah influence anyway.....
Admitatly, the Dodge may be too much.
Curving this down and it costing 4 felt right. In fluff, it's claws are aggravated to everything they attack.we already have a garbage agg poking werewolf though.....
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11 Sep 2017 18:32 - 11 Sep 2017 18:35 #83501
by jamesatzephyr
Replied by jamesatzephyr on topic Submission: Wayward Corax
I'm slightly confused overall.
On a thematic note, I'm not sure it makes sense for Primogen particularly. I'm not opposed to helping Primogen at all, I just don't think the card really makes sense as a Primogen thing - Primogen don't, as a rule, have good relations with the Changing Breeds. I'd prefer the theme was reworked if possible - even leaving the card more or less identical. It's not the end of the world if theme doesn't match up exactly, of course.
On the actual play of the card, I find myself a little confused. If the +1 intercept is important, this is really quite expensive. 4 pool for intercept that probably isn't usable by that many vampires in your deck - how many different Primogen are you using? Most clans don't have that many good Primogen in one group pairing, really. And you have to forego the action with it to get that, or use other tech to untap the ally, which generally isn't very attractive - that action could be more productive than playing Rayzeel's Song at ani (or whatever). Having one bleed obviously isn't terrible, and if you paired it up with Obfuscatey vampires you could get it through with Cloaks and Psychic Veil/Veil the Legions, and it's got okay survivability against decks with little or no combat etc - but if you're acting then you don't get the intercept at all, so it seems like an expensive bleeder.
It feels like in some situations it would be expensive intercept for a limited number of vampires where you'd probably just prefer Mr Winthrop, a Bowl of Convergence, even a KRCG (though master phase actions are expensive). Or in an environment where you don't need the intercept, it feels like an expensive little bleeder. Maybe it can shift mid-game - your old predator (where the intercept wasn't so helpful) is ousted and now you do need intercept against your new predator so you can switch tactics, that sort of thing. But 4 pool and a Primogen still feels like a lot for that.
On a thematic note, I'm not sure it makes sense for Primogen particularly. I'm not opposed to helping Primogen at all, I just don't think the card really makes sense as a Primogen thing - Primogen don't, as a rule, have good relations with the Changing Breeds. I'd prefer the theme was reworked if possible - even leaving the card more or less identical. It's not the end of the world if theme doesn't match up exactly, of course.
On the actual play of the card, I find myself a little confused. If the +1 intercept is important, this is really quite expensive. 4 pool for intercept that probably isn't usable by that many vampires in your deck - how many different Primogen are you using? Most clans don't have that many good Primogen in one group pairing, really. And you have to forego the action with it to get that, or use other tech to untap the ally, which generally isn't very attractive - that action could be more productive than playing Rayzeel's Song at ani (or whatever). Having one bleed obviously isn't terrible, and if you paired it up with Obfuscatey vampires you could get it through with Cloaks and Psychic Veil/Veil the Legions, and it's got okay survivability against decks with little or no combat etc - but if you're acting then you don't get the intercept at all, so it seems like an expensive bleeder.
It feels like in some situations it would be expensive intercept for a limited number of vampires where you'd probably just prefer Mr Winthrop, a Bowl of Convergence, even a KRCG (though master phase actions are expensive). Or in an environment where you don't need the intercept, it feels like an expensive little bleeder. Maybe it can shift mid-game - your old predator (where the intercept wasn't so helpful) is ousted and now you do need intercept against your new predator so you can switch tactics, that sort of thing. But 4 pool and a Primogen still feels like a lot for that.
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13 Sep 2017 05:06 #83522
by ReverendRevolver
Replied by ReverendRevolver on topic Submission: Wayward Corax
So,
A good place to start seems to be it being able to give anyone the intercept.
Beyond that, the road seems to be cost less or do more: so
Wayward Corax

3
Requires a Primogen.
werewolf with 3 life, 2 strength, 1 bleed.
lock Corax to give any minion +1 intercept in the current action. Once each combat, he can Dodge as a strike.if Corax has 2 or fewer life during your unlock phase, he gains a life. Flight
Seems ok, as the setback of needing a Primogen is offset by the ability to give your grand prey stealth in a pinch. Or
Wayward Corax

4
Requires a Primogen.
werewolf with 3 life, 2 strength, 1 bleed.
lock Corax to give any minion +1 intercept in the current action. Damage from Coraxs hand strikes are aggravated.if Corax has 2 or fewer life during your unlock phase, he gains a life. Flight
This makes it worth pool as a deterrent. If it gets to be reasonably ably to block mid to late game, it sends things to torpor. Or, if your prey has empty minions on the table and wakes in hand, your bleeds of one are probably good.
I don't feel it needs to be combat inclined beyond these traits, as that's not a Coraxs strong suit.
Playable in either iteration?
A good place to start seems to be it being able to give anyone the intercept.
Beyond that, the road seems to be cost less or do more: so
Wayward Corax


Requires a Primogen.
werewolf with 3 life, 2 strength, 1 bleed.
lock Corax to give any minion +1 intercept in the current action. Once each combat, he can Dodge as a strike.if Corax has 2 or fewer life during your unlock phase, he gains a life. Flight

Seems ok, as the setback of needing a Primogen is offset by the ability to give your grand prey stealth in a pinch. Or
Wayward Corax


Requires a Primogen.
werewolf with 3 life, 2 strength, 1 bleed.
lock Corax to give any minion +1 intercept in the current action. Damage from Coraxs hand strikes are aggravated.if Corax has 2 or fewer life during your unlock phase, he gains a life. Flight

This makes it worth pool as a deterrent. If it gets to be reasonably ably to block mid to late game, it sends things to torpor. Or, if your prey has empty minions on the table and wakes in hand, your bleeds of one are probably good.
I don't feel it needs to be combat inclined beyond these traits, as that's not a Coraxs strong suit.
Playable in either iteration?
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