Fixing First Blood
22 Oct 2019 16:42 - 23 Oct 2019 05:19 #97502
by elotar
NC Russia



Fixing First Blood was created by elotar
First blood is cool and things, but IMO not the best possible approach to the situation.
The decks are not balanced (Nos too weak, Tremere too strong), they are not focused (the games can degenerate into grindfests) and they are not cool enough (it's subjective, obviously). Also I think they are not introducing enough aspects of the game.
So here is my approach as I can't stop myself thinking how it can be fixed:
The first one is easiest - I've just make it more like classic grinder. Also, as in all other decks in the series - have added at least one equipment, retainer and ally. Ventrue headquarters was removed to allow toreadors more free reign with politics. Parity shift, anarch troublemaker and pentex added as important introductory material.
First Blood Ventrue
1x Lodin (Olaf Holte) 8 DOM FOR PRE aus pro prince Ventrue:5
1x Graham Gottesman 7 DOM FOR obf pre tha prince Ventrue:5
1x Mustafa, The Heir 6 FOR PRE cel dom prince Ventrue:4
1x Victor Donaldson 6 DOM for pre prince Ventrue:5
1x Emily Carson 5 DOM for pre primogen Ventrue:5
1x Joao Bile 5 DOM FOR pre Ventrue:4
Library [49 cards]
Action [10]
1x Entrancement
1x Dominate Kine
8x Govern the Unaligned
Action Modifier [9]
2x Bonding
3x Conditioning
1x Daring the Dawn
1x Foreshadowing Destruction
1x Freak Drive
1x Seduction
Combat [10]
4x Indomitability
1x Rolling with the Punches
1x Soak
1x Unflinching Persistence
3x Weighted Walking Stick
Equipment [1]
1x .44 Magnum
Master [8]
1x Anarch Troublemaker
3x Blood Doll
1x Misdirection
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
1x Jake Washington
1x Uptown Hunting Ground
Political Action [1]
1x Parity Shift
Reaction [9]
4x Deflection
1x On the Qui Vive
4x Second Tradition: Domain
Retainer [1]
1x Mr. Winthrop
The decks are not balanced (Nos too weak, Tremere too strong), they are not focused (the games can degenerate into grindfests) and they are not cool enough (it's subjective, obviously). Also I think they are not introducing enough aspects of the game.
So here is my approach as I can't stop myself thinking how it can be fixed:
The first one is easiest - I've just make it more like classic grinder. Also, as in all other decks in the series - have added at least one equipment, retainer and ally. Ventrue headquarters was removed to allow toreadors more free reign with politics. Parity shift, anarch troublemaker and pentex added as important introductory material.
First Blood Ventrue
1x Lodin (Olaf Holte) 8 DOM FOR PRE aus pro prince Ventrue:5
1x Graham Gottesman 7 DOM FOR obf pre tha prince Ventrue:5
1x Mustafa, The Heir 6 FOR PRE cel dom prince Ventrue:4
1x Victor Donaldson 6 DOM for pre prince Ventrue:5
1x Emily Carson 5 DOM for pre primogen Ventrue:5
1x Joao Bile 5 DOM FOR pre Ventrue:4
Library [49 cards]
Action [10]
1x Entrancement
1x Dominate Kine
8x Govern the Unaligned
Action Modifier [9]
2x Bonding
3x Conditioning
1x Daring the Dawn
1x Foreshadowing Destruction
1x Freak Drive
1x Seduction
Combat [10]
4x Indomitability
1x Rolling with the Punches
1x Soak
1x Unflinching Persistence
3x Weighted Walking Stick
Equipment [1]
1x .44 Magnum
Master [8]
1x Anarch Troublemaker
3x Blood Doll
1x Misdirection
1x Pentex(TM) Subversion
1x Jake Washington
1x Uptown Hunting Ground
Political Action [1]
1x Parity Shift
Reaction [9]
4x Deflection
1x On the Qui Vive
4x Second Tradition: Domain
Retainer [1]
1x Mr. Winthrop





Last edit: 23 Oct 2019 05:19 by elotar.
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22 Oct 2019 16:45 #97503
by elotar
NC Russia



Replied by elotar on topic Fixing First Blood
Tremere was remade totally. I think cryptic mission is much cooler clan concept for them as well as very different from grinder. In general power level seems weaker but MotS+Ivory bow combo should be quite cool in first blood environment.
1x Lord Ephraim Wainw 6 AUS THA for pre Tremere:5
1x Claus Wegener 5 DOM aus for tha Tremere:5
1x Hector Trelane 5 AUS THA dom nec Tremere:4
1x Zane 5 THA aus dom primogen Tremere:5
1x Tarrence Moore 4 aus dom tha Tremere:5
1x Ezra Hawthorne 2 tha Tremere:4
Library [49 cards]
Action [9]
7x Cryptic Mission
1x Far Mastery
1x Magic of the Smith
Action Modifier [10]
5x Conditioning
5x Mirror Walk
Ally [5]
1x Gregory Winter
1x Impundulu
1x Ossian
1x Thadius Zho, Mage
1x Young Bloods
Combat [4]
1x Apportation
2x Theft of Vitae
1x Walk of Flame
Equipment [3]
1x Bowl of Convergence
1x Ivory Bow
1x Sire's Index Finger
Master [7]
1x Academic Hunting Ground
1x Arcane Library
3x Blood Doll
1x Chantry
1x Society of Leopold
Reaction [9]
4x Deflection
1x My Enemy's Enemy
4x On the Qui Vive
Retainer [1]
1x Charnas the Imp
1x Lord Ephraim Wainw 6 AUS THA for pre Tremere:5
1x Claus Wegener 5 DOM aus for tha Tremere:5
1x Hector Trelane 5 AUS THA dom nec Tremere:4
1x Zane 5 THA aus dom primogen Tremere:5
1x Tarrence Moore 4 aus dom tha Tremere:5
1x Ezra Hawthorne 2 tha Tremere:4
Library [49 cards]
Action [9]
7x Cryptic Mission
1x Far Mastery
1x Magic of the Smith
Action Modifier [10]
5x Conditioning
5x Mirror Walk
Ally [5]
1x Gregory Winter
1x Impundulu
1x Ossian
1x Thadius Zho, Mage
1x Young Bloods
Combat [4]
1x Apportation
2x Theft of Vitae
1x Walk of Flame
Equipment [3]
1x Bowl of Convergence
1x Ivory Bow
1x Sire's Index Finger
Master [7]
1x Academic Hunting Ground
1x Arcane Library
3x Blood Doll
1x Chantry
1x Society of Leopold
Reaction [9]
4x Deflection
1x My Enemy's Enemy
4x On the Qui Vive
Retainer [1]
1x Charnas the Imp





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22 Oct 2019 16:54 #97504
by elotar
NC Russia



Replied by elotar on topic Fixing First Blood
Malkavians
Just removed stupid Dem weenie, and fixed library a little. As you can see having fun with allies is kind of sub-theme in the series.
1 Apolonia Czarnecki
1 Arthur Denholm
1 Antoine, The Lost (!)
1 Gem Ghastly
1 Morel
1 Osric Vladislav
Library [49 cards]
Action [11]
10x Kindred Spirits
1x Restructure
Action Modifier [19]
6x Confusion
2x Elder Impersonation
2x Eyes of Chaos
3x Faceless Night
3x Lost in Crowds
3x Spying Mission
Action Modifier/Combat [1]
1x Swallowed by the Night
Ally [1]
1x Procurer
Combat [3]
1x Coma
2x No Trace
Equipment [1]
1x Monocle of Clarity
Master [7]
1x Asylum Hunting Ground
1x Barrens, The
3x Blood Doll
1x Game of Malkav
1x Sudden Reversal
Reaction [6]
3x On the Qui Vive
3x Telepathic Misdirection
Just removed stupid Dem weenie, and fixed library a little. As you can see having fun with allies is kind of sub-theme in the series.
1 Apolonia Czarnecki
1 Arthur Denholm
1 Antoine, The Lost (!)
1 Gem Ghastly
1 Morel
1 Osric Vladislav
Library [49 cards]
Action [11]
10x Kindred Spirits
1x Restructure
Action Modifier [19]
6x Confusion
2x Elder Impersonation
2x Eyes of Chaos
3x Faceless Night
3x Lost in Crowds
3x Spying Mission
Action Modifier/Combat [1]
1x Swallowed by the Night
Ally [1]
1x Procurer
Combat [3]
1x Coma
2x No Trace
Equipment [1]
1x Monocle of Clarity
Master [7]
1x Asylum Hunting Ground
1x Barrens, The
3x Blood Doll
1x Game of Malkav
1x Sudden Reversal
Reaction [6]
3x On the Qui Vive
3x Telepathic Misdirection





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22 Oct 2019 17:00 - 23 Oct 2019 05:19 #97505
by elotar
NC Russia



Replied by elotar on topic Fixing First Blood
First Blood Toreadors
Here it became harder - toreadors without AAA crypt are kind of mech.
It's a dedicated political deck. Maybe it should be even more focused but I want to squeeze in some "fun stuff".
Crypt [6 vampires] Capacity min: 4 max: 11 average: 6.66667
1x Gwendolyn
1x Epikasta Rigatos 8 AUS DOM PRE cel prince Toreador:4
1x Kateline Nadasdy 7 AUS CEL PRE Toreador:4
1x Vasily 6 CEL aus pre ser prince Toreador:5
1x Thomas De Lutrius 4 aus cel pre primogen Toreador:4
1x Tyler McGill 4 AUS pre Toreador:5
Library [49 cards]
Action [5]
4x Enchant Kindred
1x Entrancement
Action Modifier [9]
1x Aire of Elation
4x Bewitching Oration
1x Change of Target
1x Perfect Paragon
2x Voter Captivation
Action Modifier/Combat [1]
1x Resist Earth's Grasp
Ally [1]
1x Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
Combat [6]
6x Majesty
Equipment [1]
1x Flaming Candle
Master [7]
1x Art Museum
3x Blood Doll
1x Elysium: The Arboretum
1x Secure Haven
1x Society Hunting Ground
Political Action [10]
1x Ancilla Empowerment
1x Banishment
1x Conservative Agitation
1x Disputed Territory
5x Kine Resources Contested
1x Year of Fortune
Reaction [8]
4x On the Qui Vive
4x Telepathic Misdirection
Retainer [1]
1x Ghoul Escort
Here it became harder - toreadors without AAA crypt are kind of mech.
It's a dedicated political deck. Maybe it should be even more focused but I want to squeeze in some "fun stuff".
Crypt [6 vampires] Capacity min: 4 max: 11 average: 6.66667
1x Gwendolyn
1x Epikasta Rigatos 8 AUS DOM PRE cel prince Toreador:4
1x Kateline Nadasdy 7 AUS CEL PRE Toreador:4
1x Vasily 6 CEL aus pre ser prince Toreador:5
1x Thomas De Lutrius 4 aus cel pre primogen Toreador:4
1x Tyler McGill 4 AUS pre Toreador:5
Library [49 cards]
Action [5]
4x Enchant Kindred
1x Entrancement
Action Modifier [9]
1x Aire of Elation
4x Bewitching Oration
1x Change of Target
1x Perfect Paragon
2x Voter Captivation
Action Modifier/Combat [1]
1x Resist Earth's Grasp
Ally [1]
1x Carlton Van Wyk (Hunter)
Combat [6]
6x Majesty
Equipment [1]
1x Flaming Candle
Master [7]
1x Art Museum
3x Blood Doll
1x Elysium: The Arboretum
1x Secure Haven
1x Society Hunting Ground
Political Action [10]
1x Ancilla Empowerment
1x Banishment
1x Conservative Agitation
1x Disputed Territory
5x Kine Resources Contested
1x Year of Fortune
Reaction [8]
4x On the Qui Vive
4x Telepathic Misdirection
Retainer [1]
1x Ghoul Escort





Last edit: 23 Oct 2019 05:19 by elotar.
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22 Oct 2019 17:06 #97506
by elotar
NC Russia



Replied by elotar on topic Fixing First Blood
Nosferatu was obviously the hardest - the clan was terrible from the very beginning of the game. Maybe something can be done with the present crypt combination and knowledge of other first blood deck contents, but we need to introduce players to the real game, not to some weird crap which should be totally remade for normal games.
So it's just
weenie with bad crypt.
Crypt [6 vampires] Capacity min: 4 max: 8 average: 6
1x Gustaphe Brunnelle 8 ANI DOM POT obf primogen Nosferatu:4
1x Zelios 8 ANI OBF POT pro primogen Nosferatu:5
1x Harold Tanner 6 POT ani dom obf Nosferatu:4
1x Jeremy "Wix" Wyzch 5 ani obf pot Nosferatu:4
1x Petra 5 ANI OBF aus Nosferatu:4
1x Beetleman 4 ANI obf Nosferatu:4
Library [49 cards]
Action [10]
1x Army of Rats
6x Deep Song
1x Preternatural Strength
2x Tier of Souls
Ally [1]
1x Underbridge Stray
Combat [18]
8x Aid from Bats
1x Canine Horde
6x Carrion Crows
1x Pack Alpha
2x Taste of Vitae
Equipment [1]
1x Sniper Rifle
Master [7]
1x Archon Investigation
3x Blood Doll
1x Fame
1x Powerbase: Montreal
1x Slum Hunting Ground
Reaction [8]
2x Cats' Guidance
3x Forced Awakening
3x On the Qui Vive
Retainer [4]
4x Raven Spy
So it's just

Crypt [6 vampires] Capacity min: 4 max: 8 average: 6
1x Gustaphe Brunnelle 8 ANI DOM POT obf primogen Nosferatu:4
1x Zelios 8 ANI OBF POT pro primogen Nosferatu:5
1x Harold Tanner 6 POT ani dom obf Nosferatu:4
1x Jeremy "Wix" Wyzch 5 ani obf pot Nosferatu:4
1x Petra 5 ANI OBF aus Nosferatu:4
1x Beetleman 4 ANI obf Nosferatu:4
Library [49 cards]
Action [10]
1x Army of Rats
6x Deep Song
1x Preternatural Strength
2x Tier of Souls
Ally [1]
1x Underbridge Stray
Combat [18]
8x Aid from Bats
1x Canine Horde
6x Carrion Crows
1x Pack Alpha
2x Taste of Vitae
Equipment [1]
1x Sniper Rifle
Master [7]
1x Archon Investigation
3x Blood Doll
1x Fame
1x Powerbase: Montreal
1x Slum Hunting Ground
Reaction [8]
2x Cats' Guidance
3x Forced Awakening
3x On the Qui Vive
Retainer [4]
4x Raven Spy





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