file Card idea: Shadows within Shadows

22 Aug 2011 16:09 - 22 Aug 2011 16:10 #8794 by Ankha
Name: Shadows within Shadows
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Discipline: Obfuscate / Obtenebration
[obf] This vampire burns 1 blood to get +1 stealth.
[obt] As [obf] above.
[obf][obt] +X stealth, where X is the number of levels of Obtenebration and Obfuscate this vampire has. Stealth can't be reduced this action.


Having obfuscate and obtenebration is redundant and means usually that one of the discipline is not used. There are 17 vampire with both. Most of them already have access to Lost in Crowds or Forgotten Labyrinth, so the game won't be unbalanced by Shadows within Shadows, especially with the burn blood part at inferior of each discipline.
I thought it would be nice to give a bonus to vampires with both, so maybe we see them more often.

Josef 4 ani obf obt => 2 stealth
Gemini 5 OBF ani obt pot => 3 stealth
Guido 5 Lucciano OBT dom obf => 3 stealth
Humo 6 ANI POT obf obt => 2 stealth
Quira, The Bitch Queen 6 AUS OBF obt tha => 3 stealth
Kashan 7 CEL OBF QUI obt pre => 3 stealth
Matthew Romans 7 AUS OBF OBT pot => 4 stealth
Phillipe Rigaud 7 DOM OBF PRO ani aus obt => 3 stealth
Azaneal 7 DAI OBF OBT pre tha => 4 stealth
Danny Larkshill 7 PRE SER obf obt pot => 2 stealth
Theron 8 AUS DEM OBF for obt => 3 stealth
Gratiano 8 DOM OBT obf pot=> 3 stealth
Angelica, The Canonicus 10 DOM OBT POT cel obf => 4 stealth
Ysador the Foul 10 ANI DEM FOR OBF POT obt => 3 stealth
Servius Marius Pustula 10 ANI CHI DOM OBT POT obf => 3 stealth
Luna Giovanni 10 DOM NEC OBF OBT POT cel => 4 stealth
Marcus Vitel 10 DOM FOR OBF OBT (POT) PRE => 4 stealth

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22 Aug 2011 18:49 #8806 by agzocgud
Why does :obf: cost one blood? Paying for obf-stealth doesn´t make sense.

Otherwise, I like the card.

Overkill is highly underrated. You know, like in computor games and such.

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22 Aug 2011 18:54 #8807 by Klaital

Why does :obf: cost one blood? Paying for obf-stealth doesn´t make sense.

Otherwise, I like the card.


Elder Impersonation and Forgotten Labyrinth cost a blood also.

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23 Aug 2011 01:31 - 23 Aug 2011 01:35 #8824 by glaswanderer
Blood cost on a card usually reflexs the superior use of the card. The cost on EI makes the block fail, and FL gives 2 additional stealth on non-bleed actions.

Possible new version:

Shadows within Shadows
Action Modifier
Obfuscate / Obtenebration
[obf] +1 stealth.
[obt] This vampire burns 1 blood to get +1 stealth.
[obf][obt] This vampire burns 1 blood to get +X stealth, where X is the number of levels of Obfuscate and Obtenebration this vampire has. Stealth cannot be reduced during this action.

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Last edit: 23 Aug 2011 01:35 by glaswanderer.

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23 Aug 2011 01:39 #8825 by KevinM
This is one of those "good ideas" that needs a lot of restrictions to make it balanced. But it's a neat idea!

The two inferiors are neat, but you really need to make the superior say something like "Not usable on a bleed or political action." because Forgotten Labyrinth is already gross enough. You could probably also add "This card may not be played if the action's stealth is currently greater than 1."

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23 Aug 2011 04:41 - 23 Aug 2011 04:44 #8829 by Ankha

Why does :obf: cost one blood? Paying for obf-stealth doesn´t make sense. Otherwise, I like the card.

I didn't want it to be an autoinclude for decks that rely on stealth diversity, but still be usable for the sidekicks.

I like glaswanderer's version, though I'd keep it free at "superior", or make the whole card cost 1 blood so it can be reduced by a path of night or what else.

but you really need to make the superior say something like "Not usable on a bleed or political action." because Forgotten Labyrinth is already gross enough. You could probably also add "This card may not be played if the action's stealth is currently greater than 1."

There is already a major restriction: you need to have both disciplines (17 vampires in the game, that's not a lot). Adding another restriction makes no sense, because players won't bother to play both disciplines to achieve the same effect as a card that requires only one of the two disciplines (Forgotten Labyrinth for instance).

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