Polishing VtES - refining crypts and removing grouping

Ashur wrote:

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elotar wrote:

main feedback I'm looking for is "this vampire is left out but his discipline spread can be used in this obscure anarch deck".

Yes, you want feedback on obscure anarch decks. But other people are still entitled to ask questions such as why is removing vampires from the game good for the game? Why is it beneficial to make it really hard to add new vampires? Why is it preferable to dump Group 1 vampires because they aren't part of the RPG, when they are part of V:TES - you know, the actual card game people on this forum like?

elotar wrote:

Here I would try to play with the idea of what earlier was deemed impossible - to remove grouping rule as well as "squeeze" current 1475 crypt cards into 600, without breaking or even significantly changing the game.

With respect, this is nonsense. You are solving a task that was thought impossible by... you.

The whole point of the grouping rule is to combat the problems that happen when you expand the number of vampires in the game above a certain level. If you cap the number of vampires in the game, you're just avoiding the problem in a totally different way. No-one thought this was impossible - indeed, one of the responses to the introduction of the grouping rule was that people should just design fewer new vampires, so that the problems didn't occur.

jamesatzephyr wrote:

But other people are still entitled to ask questions ...

You can ask questions, just don't wait for answers.

Ventrue

There are 55 V+!V in group 3-4, so I was thinking to aim for 44 cards here, but looks like managed to put all needed vampires into 40.

2-3 cap
Jack Tredegar 2 pre
Samson 2 dom
Diana Vick 3 dom pre
Juan Cali 3 aus for
Ulrike Rothbart 3 dom for
Gideon was left out - pre weenie will be implemented by less pressed with archetypes clans

4 cap
Ingrid Russo 4 DOM for staple
Katherine Stoddard 4 dom for black hand
Peter Blaine 4 aus dom for
Courtland Leighton 4 dom for pre
fillers with dom are fine

5 cap
Neighbor John 5 AUS dom for
Ranjan Rishi, Cama 5 DOM PRE for
Victor Pelletier 5 PRE cel dom for
staples

Catherine du Bois 5 DOM for obf pre
Have to chose between her and Emily Carson. Was hard but she is more widely useful with obf

Jephta Hester 5 DOM FOR aus
Louis de Maisonneu 5 FOR aus dom obf

Louis Fortier 5 aus dom for obf pre
filler

6 cap
Edward Vignes 6 DOM PRE for
Mustafa, The Heir 6 FOR PRE cel dom prince
Victor Donaldson 6 DOM for pre
staples

Jefferson Foster 6 AUS DOM for tha bishop

Mariel St. John 6 AUS FOR dom pro
Alan Sovereign 6 AUS DOM for pre
fillers

7 cap
Blackhorse Tanner 7 AUS DOM FOR
Graham Gottesman 7 DOM FOR obf pre tha prince
staples, Graham also works "as" Quin Anne because of obf

Joseph O'Grady 7 DOM FOR aus cel
Gracis Nostinus 7 DOM PRE aus for primogen

Jan Pieterzoon 7 DOM FOR pot pre novel

8 cap
Lodin (Olaf Holte) 8 DOM FOR PRE aus pro prince staple

Hrothulf 8 CEL FOR PRE dom pot pro
Katarina Kornfeld 8 DOM FOR PRE ani primogen
Polly Kay Fisher 8 AUS DOM THA for pot archbishop

9 cap
De Sade 9 AUS DOM FOR PRE archbishop
Gotsdam, The Tired 9 AUS DOM FOR PRE ani
Suhailah 9 FOR OBF pot ser obf prince

10 cap
Bruce de Guy 10 AUS DOM FOR OBT cardinal
Lucinde, Alastor 10 DOM FOR PRE obf pot tha justicar
Marcus Vitel 10 DOM FOR OBF OBT PRE prince
Mary Anne Blaire 10 AUS DOM FOR PRE ani pot justicar

11 cap
Arika 11 DOM FOR OBF PRE aus cel inner circle
Elimelech the Twic 11 AUS DEM DOM FOR OBF pro

Hardestadt 11 DOM FOR POT PRE cel pro inner circle
Lazverinus was left out because they look too synergetic. FOR AUS POT wall are also better represented by others

Checklist:
>Gentlemen
>Better gentlemen
>Arika and Ko
>Lawfirm
>FOR pot combat

23/17 camarilla/sabbat

Cardinal, 2 archbishops, bishop + 3 black hand
5 guys with pro

What have I forgotten?

elotar wrote:

What have I forgotten?

You've forgotten to explain why your proposal is in any way beneficial for the game.

You've forgotten to explain why removing 100s of vampires from the game won't piss people off who like using them, or who have small collections. (Proxies aren't usable in all events!)

You've forgotten that the point of soliciting feedback in a public forum isn't just to blithely dismiss people who disagree with you by refusing to answer very basic, important questions.



Get off your cloud and explain how you're trying to help the game to mere mortals.