Which Staples do you feel need reprinted first?
12 Oct 2018 00:02 - 12 Oct 2018 00:22 #91153
by ReverendRevolver
Which Staples do you feel need reprinted first? was created by ReverendRevolver
We are a while away from the next Cam set, but new player acquisition has long been at the mercy of in-print card availability combined with secondary market prices.
In a recent thread on what cards were considered staples, a list of card and deck frequency/#copies was provided.
So, I scoured for current prices and broke them down by typical number of copies needed per deck.
Vtes singles prices 10-11-18
Prices USD, based upon eBay average
Current exchange rate 1EUR =$1.16, or .84 EUR=$1
1Braz Real=$.26
1AUS dollar =$.71
1GBP= $1.32
(Typically 5+copies per deck)
Freak Drive $4
Deflection $1.33
Second Tradition $2
Eyes of Argus $4
Deep Song $5
Govern the Unaligned $.75
Carrion crows $.60
Immortal Grapple $.75
Torn Signpost $.50
Pursuit $.10
Blur $.10
Sideslip $.10
Kindred spirits $.10
Conditioning $.13
Aid from bats $.20
.44 magnum $.60
Concealed weapon $.12
Bum's Rush $.10
Enchant kindred $.10
Nocturn $.80
Ashur tablets $9
(Typically 2-5 copies per deck)
Smiling Jack $4
Magic of the Smith $9
Parity shift $9
Taste of vitae $.50
Abbot $3
On the qui vive $1.50
KRC $.10
Earth meld $.75
Anarch Convert $4
Target Vitals $4
Voter cap $1.20
Awe $4
Perfect paragon $9
Telepathic Misdirection $.50
Delaying tactics $1
Psyche $.40
Disarm $4
Lost in crowds $.10
Majesty $1
Wake with EF $.10
Forced wake $.20
Swallowed by the night $.13
Elder impersonation $.20
Eagles sight $.25
Zillahs Valley $2.50
Faceless night $.10
Seduction $.10
Earth meld $.50
Cloak the gathering $.10
My enemys enemy $3
Bonding $.10
Cats guidance $.12
Enhanced Senses $.10
Mirror walk $3
Forgotten labarynth $1
Confusion $.10
Theft of vitae $.10
Rolling with the punches $.53
Spying mission $.12
Sense the savage way $3
Eyes of Chaos $.10
Obedience $.75
WWStick $.20
Form of mist $.25
Call hungry dead $1
Forced March $.40
Hidden strength $.50
Shambling Hordes $1
Embrace $8
Con boon $.10
Nephandus $18
Spectral divination $.17
Aire of elation $.13
Shadow play $.10
Veil legions $.10
Daring the dawn $2
Apportation $.10
Chiropteran Marauder $1
Bewitching Oration $.10
(Typically 1to3 copies per deck)
Villein $6-12
Vessel $2
Pentex Subversion $9
Minion tap $.30
Blood doll $.15
Enkil Cog $20
Mind Rape $15
Tension $.50
Fame $.20
Liquidation $4
Entrancement $3
Raven spy $.20
Banishment $1
Wider view $2.50
Perfectionist $1
Jake Washington $35
Resist earths grasp $.10
Redirection $.25
Forshadowing destruction $.20
(Typically 1-2 copies per deck)
Dreams Of the Sphinx $9
PB Montreal $4
Direct intervention $11
Dark influences $4.50
Ivory bow $2.75
Bowl of Convergence $2.75
Info highway $1
Giants blood $1.50
Parthenon $3
Wash $3
Heart cheating $11
Sudden reversal $.25
Carlton $9
Archon investigation $3
Unmasking $8
Scourge of the Enocchians $15
Mylan $2
Ossian $6
Army of rats $.10
JS simmons $.20
MrWinthrop $.20
A few of these caught me off guard, but based upon these things (and what BC plans on printing, chiefly Anthology) which staples do you feel need to be printed?
Remember, BC bundles make each card $.20 , so while we will need to get everything out there eventually, lost in crowds is far less relevant in reprint terms than Jake Washington.
For what its worth, I'd like to see reprints roll out making many of these plummet to $1 or less for all the top 2 frequency groups. Deep song, tablets, and EyeArgus will go down once more Anthology circulates. So my primary concerns are Freak Drive, jack, MotS and parity shift.
Also, from a new player access level, stealthbleed is cheap entry level. IF second trad and parity shift were made more accessible, along with princes (there are a few in KoT bundles) it would be very cheap to have celerity guns.
In a recent thread on what cards were considered staples, a list of card and deck frequency/#copies was provided.
So, I scoured for current prices and broke them down by typical number of copies needed per deck.
Warning: Spoiler!
Vtes singles prices 10-11-18
Prices USD, based upon eBay average
Current exchange rate 1EUR =$1.16, or .84 EUR=$1
1Braz Real=$.26
1AUS dollar =$.71
1GBP= $1.32
(Typically 5+copies per deck)
Freak Drive $4
Deflection $1.33
Second Tradition $2
Eyes of Argus $4
Deep Song $5
Govern the Unaligned $.75
Carrion crows $.60
Immortal Grapple $.75
Torn Signpost $.50
Pursuit $.10
Blur $.10
Sideslip $.10
Kindred spirits $.10
Conditioning $.13
Aid from bats $.20
.44 magnum $.60
Concealed weapon $.12
Bum's Rush $.10
Enchant kindred $.10
Nocturn $.80
Ashur tablets $9
(Typically 2-5 copies per deck)
Smiling Jack $4
Magic of the Smith $9
Parity shift $9
Taste of vitae $.50
Abbot $3
On the qui vive $1.50
KRC $.10
Earth meld $.75
Anarch Convert $4
Target Vitals $4
Voter cap $1.20
Awe $4
Perfect paragon $9
Telepathic Misdirection $.50
Delaying tactics $1
Psyche $.40
Disarm $4
Lost in crowds $.10
Majesty $1
Wake with EF $.10
Forced wake $.20
Swallowed by the night $.13
Elder impersonation $.20
Eagles sight $.25
Zillahs Valley $2.50
Faceless night $.10
Seduction $.10
Earth meld $.50
Cloak the gathering $.10
My enemys enemy $3
Bonding $.10
Cats guidance $.12
Enhanced Senses $.10
Mirror walk $3
Forgotten labarynth $1
Confusion $.10
Theft of vitae $.10
Rolling with the punches $.53
Spying mission $.12
Sense the savage way $3
Eyes of Chaos $.10
Obedience $.75
WWStick $.20
Form of mist $.25
Call hungry dead $1
Forced March $.40
Hidden strength $.50
Shambling Hordes $1
Embrace $8
Con boon $.10
Nephandus $18
Spectral divination $.17
Aire of elation $.13
Shadow play $.10
Veil legions $.10
Daring the dawn $2
Apportation $.10
Chiropteran Marauder $1
Bewitching Oration $.10
(Typically 1to3 copies per deck)
Villein $6-12
Vessel $2
Pentex Subversion $9
Minion tap $.30
Blood doll $.15
Enkil Cog $20
Mind Rape $15
Tension $.50
Fame $.20
Liquidation $4
Entrancement $3
Raven spy $.20
Banishment $1
Wider view $2.50
Perfectionist $1
Jake Washington $35
Resist earths grasp $.10
Redirection $.25
Forshadowing destruction $.20
(Typically 1-2 copies per deck)
Dreams Of the Sphinx $9
PB Montreal $4
Direct intervention $11
Dark influences $4.50
Ivory bow $2.75
Bowl of Convergence $2.75
Info highway $1
Giants blood $1.50
Parthenon $3
Wash $3
Heart cheating $11
Sudden reversal $.25
Carlton $9
Archon investigation $3
Unmasking $8
Scourge of the Enocchians $15
Mylan $2
Ossian $6
Army of rats $.10
JS simmons $.20
MrWinthrop $.20
A few of these caught me off guard, but based upon these things (and what BC plans on printing, chiefly Anthology) which staples do you feel need to be printed?
Remember, BC bundles make each card $.20 , so while we will need to get everything out there eventually, lost in crowds is far less relevant in reprint terms than Jake Washington.
For what its worth, I'd like to see reprints roll out making many of these plummet to $1 or less for all the top 2 frequency groups. Deep song, tablets, and EyeArgus will go down once more Anthology circulates. So my primary concerns are Freak Drive, jack, MotS and parity shift.
Also, from a new player access level, stealthbleed is cheap entry level. IF second trad and parity shift were made more accessible, along with princes (there are a few in KoT bundles) it would be very cheap to have celerity guns.
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13 Oct 2018 04:39 #91172
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Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one.
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Which staples need to be reprinted first? All of them. On. Demand.
Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one.
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13 Oct 2018 19:12 #91175
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Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.
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Arms of the Abyss and Shroud of Absence.
Sabbat.Black Hand Shakar: Lech loathe ranged weapons. Once each action, he may burn 1 blood to become Camarilla Prince of Krakow until the end of the action.
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13 Oct 2018 23:02 #91177
by ReverendRevolver
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While I'm not part of playtest on new precons, I'm hoping Lasombra and !Ventrue get starters, because shroud, AotA, Entombment haven't been printed on a minute and !Ventrue should have Freak drive, eyes of argus, Abbott, TV, and Jack, all of which go into many decks.Arms of the Abyss and Shroud of Absence.
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14 Oct 2018 04:44 - 14 Oct 2018 05:09 #91179
by nergalmcl
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I don't think we gonna have too many precons that will cost too much, but maybe yes.
I hope some Sabbat as Lasombra, !Gangrel, Tzi, !Ventrue, Ahrimane would be awesome! Staples coming for this: freak drive, entombment, war ghoul. Some old G2 and new G2-G3.
But the preview is too Camarilla.
I hope some Sabbat as Lasombra, !Gangrel, Tzi, !Ventrue, Ahrimane would be awesome! Staples coming for this: freak drive, entombment, war ghoul. Some old G2 and new G2-G3.
But the preview is too Camarilla.
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14 Oct 2018 08:20 - 15 Oct 2018 13:07 #91182
by Klaital
Replied by Klaital on topic Which Staples do you feel need reprinted first?
Here is a list of cards I would like see reprinted most, in alphabetical order (I know some of them were in anthology, but not everyone has access to those!)
All cards from the pdf only sets
Anarch Troublemaker
Arms of the Abyss
Art Scam
Asanbonsam Ghoul
Bastille Opera House
Beast Meld
Bond with the Mountain (bloodlines rare that was never reprinted)
Breath of the Dragon
Change of Target
Charisma
Conductor
Daring the Dawn
Engling Fury
Enkil Cog
Entombment
Entrancement
Freak Drive
Golconda: Inner Peace
Horrid Form
Jake Washington
Judgment: Camarilla Segregation
Madman's Quill
Magic of the Smith
Mind Rape
Monastery of Shadows
Murder of Crows
Narrow Minds
Nephandus
Pack Alpha
Palla Grande
Paris Opera House
Parity Shift
Preternatural Strength
Scourge of the Enochians
Shadow Body
Shadowcourt Satyr
Shroud of Absence
Siren's Lure
Tangle Atropos' Hand
The Bitter and Sweet Story
The Call
The Embrace
The Uncoiling
The Unmasking
Touch of Clarity
Villein
War Ghoul
Yoruba Shrine
All cards from the pdf only sets
Anarch Troublemaker
Arms of the Abyss
Art Scam
Asanbonsam Ghoul
Bastille Opera House
Beast Meld
Bond with the Mountain (bloodlines rare that was never reprinted)
Breath of the Dragon
Change of Target
Charisma
Conductor
Daring the Dawn
Engling Fury
Enkil Cog
Entombment
Entrancement
Freak Drive
Golconda: Inner Peace
Horrid Form
Jake Washington
Judgment: Camarilla Segregation
Madman's Quill
Magic of the Smith
Mind Rape
Monastery of Shadows
Murder of Crows
Narrow Minds
Nephandus
Pack Alpha
Palla Grande
Paris Opera House
Parity Shift
Preternatural Strength
Scourge of the Enochians
Shadow Body
Shadowcourt Satyr
Shroud of Absence
Siren's Lure
Tangle Atropos' Hand
The Bitter and Sweet Story
The Call
The Embrace
The Uncoiling
The Unmasking
Touch of Clarity
Villein
War Ghoul
Yoruba Shrine
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