Suggestion: Updating card lists per release date
31 Dec 2023 15:03 #110237
by Oracle.kid
Suggestion: Updating card lists per release date was created by Oracle.kid
Hi,
I'd like to make a suggestion for updating the card lists. Currently, the card lists are updated with tournament legality. However, this is a month later than the release date.
Since VDB (and possibly other tools) relies on the list for its inventory, the new cards cannot be added to the inventory or used for deckbuilding, even when the release has happened. This is of course not a major problem, but creates an inconvenience.
As I use VDB for my card management, I'd find it helpful if the card list would be updated rather sooner than later.
Therefore, if possible I'd like to suggest changing the cycle to update with release date instead of tournament legality
I'd like to make a suggestion for updating the card lists. Currently, the card lists are updated with tournament legality. However, this is a month later than the release date.
Since VDB (and possibly other tools) relies on the list for its inventory, the new cards cannot be added to the inventory or used for deckbuilding, even when the release has happened. This is of course not a major problem, but creates an inconvenience.
As I use VDB for my card management, I'd find it helpful if the card list would be updated rather sooner than later.
Therefore, if possible I'd like to suggest changing the cycle to update with release date instead of tournament legality

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01 Jan 2024 08:56 - 01 Jan 2024 08:57 #110240
by Ankha
The reference file(s) on this website ( www.vekn.net/card-lists ) has to be the current legal cardtext. However, most tools use the repository github.com/GiottoVerducci/vtescsv to get their cardtext, so we could imagine that a branch for upcoming releases can be created.
What bothers me is that tools such as VDB are often used as reference for the latest cardtext, and I don't want players to be confused by thinking a cardtext change is already effective when it's not.
Replied by Ankha on topic Suggestion: Updating card lists per release date
Hi,
I'd like to make a suggestion for updating the card lists. Currently, the card lists are updated with tournament legality. However, this is a month later than the release date.
Since VDB (and possibly other tools) relies on the list for its inventory, the new cards cannot be added to the inventory or used for deckbuilding, even when the release has happened. This is of course not a major problem, but creates an inconvenience.
As I use VDB for my card management, I'd find it helpful if the card list would be updated rather sooner than later.
Therefore, if possible I'd like to suggest changing the cycle to update with release date instead of tournament legality
The reference file(s) on this website ( www.vekn.net/card-lists ) has to be the current legal cardtext. However, most tools use the repository github.com/GiottoVerducci/vtescsv to get their cardtext, so we could imagine that a branch for upcoming releases can be created.
What bothers me is that tools such as VDB are often used as reference for the latest cardtext, and I don't want players to be confused by thinking a cardtext change is already effective when it's not.
Last edit: 01 Jan 2024 08:57 by Ankha.
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01 Jan 2024 09:16 #110241
by Teylen
Replied by Teylen on topic Suggestion: Updating card lists per release date
I think the request is less about changes to cards but new cards like Tegyrius, Vizier (G7).
Who arrived with my War of Ages books in October or November yet who I can't add to my VTES inventory yet.
I agree that adding cardtext changes before they are live would be confusing.
Who arrived with my War of Ages books in October or November yet who I can't add to my VTES inventory yet.
I agree that adding cardtext changes before they are live would be confusing.
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01 Jan 2024 10:53 #110245
by KoRneeshon
Replied by KoRneeshon on topic Suggestion: Updating card lists per release date
Might be worth to consider adding a new field with legality date or changing "Banned" field in CSV to "CardInfo" or something and then adding a flag to the date, like "B1996" would mean "banned since..." , then "L2024-06-01" would mean "legal since...".
Not sure how the CSV format is flexible, though, as many tools depend on it - in this case, a new field might be better, as importing tools can simply ignore it until updated for this new format.
Not sure how the CSV format is flexible, though, as many tools depend on it - in this case, a new field might be better, as importing tools can simply ignore it until updated for this new format.
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01 Jan 2024 13:42 #110246
by Oracle.kid
Replied by Oracle.kid on topic Suggestion: Updating card lists per release date
as @Teylen said, it is for me mostly about being able to manage my cards and deckbuilding (in a sense of drafting).
If existing cards get errata, I personally wouldn't mind if these got updated at a later time. A solution which shows upcoming errata before their legality would be great, of course. But if that weren't possible (or just with a lot of trouble for you), I'd certainly perfer the former variant over having none
If existing cards get errata, I personally wouldn't mind if these got updated at a later time. A solution which shows upcoming errata before their legality would be great, of course. But if that weren't possible (or just with a lot of trouble for you), I'd certainly perfer the former variant over having none

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04 Jan 2024 02:16 #110256
by smeeag
Replied by smeeag on topic Suggestion: Updating card lists per release date
I certainly want VDB to represent legal card text as much as possible, but at the same time for NEW RELEASES (not some card text changes) it believe vast majority of the users will be happy to have new cards added as soon as they are printed and tournament legality is secondary for them (and those who care will figure it out).
And specifically for the new releases I don't see the issue of text misalignment between legal and "newer than legal" so it's hard for me to imagine the discussion on the tournament which text is "correct" if the entire set is not yet legal.
To summarize:
@Ankha, would it be appropriate if for this and future new releases (not interim mid-season card text changes) I will fetch the new cardbase from future branch and update it on VDB prior legality date (but sure only when cards are printed and distribution is official)?
I certainly don't want to go rogue without VEKN/BCP approval (as it will result in future branch being not available anymore) but see a lot of good reasons to have newest cards available before tournament legality date.
And specifically for the new releases I don't see the issue of text misalignment between legal and "newer than legal" so it's hard for me to imagine the discussion on the tournament which text is "correct" if the entire set is not yet legal.
To summarize:
@Ankha, would it be appropriate if for this and future new releases (not interim mid-season card text changes) I will fetch the new cardbase from future branch and update it on VDB prior legality date (but sure only when cards are printed and distribution is official)?
I certainly don't want to go rogue without VEKN/BCP approval (as it will result in future branch being not available anymore) but see a lot of good reasons to have newest cards available before tournament legality date.
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