The Line & Pack Alpha
18 Aug 2023 17:38 - 18 Aug 2023 17:39 #109083
by lip
The Line & Pack Alpha was created by lip
Can The Line be used to reduce the cost of a retainer played through Pack Alpha?
Relevant ruling [LSJ 20090920]
Relevant ruling [LSJ 20090920]
The Line
Pack Alpha
This vampire employs an animal retainer from your hand before range is determined. Pay cost as normal.
Burn an animal retainer employed by this vampire and put this card on this vampire. The minion with this card gets +1 strength. A minion may have only one Pack Alpha.Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
18 Aug 2023 21:42 #109086
by Kilrauko
Yes.
Longer;
LSJ has in the past ruled that groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/vSOt2c1uRzQ/m/MsRAv47Cd4YJ
1) "All cost-affecting cards operate no matter how the card is played ("as normal"
or otherwise). All multiplication and division is handled first, followed by
addition and subtraction.
Note that pay nothing still means pay nothing, even if something else would add
to the cost. So costs for cards canceled by Sudden Reversal or Direct
Intervention are still not paid, for example. And Bauble and Horrid Reality
still gets weapons for free. And similar for Helena and Dragos.
Similarly, cards that can be used to pay some of the cost of other cards can be
used whenever such a cost is being paid (regardless of whether the card is
played "as normal" or not)."
and
groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/cAGuCHSPIMY/m/22_BPQF8kMQJ
2) "Petri Wessman wrote:
> Two related questions: first off, can I use Powerbase Tswane or
> Eccentric Billionaire to reduce the cost of equipment I retrieve from
> my own ash heap via Kiss of Lachesis? Both say that they reduce the
> cost of a card I play by one, so does Kiss of Lachesis count for that?
Kiss counts that, yeah."
Relevant cards;
Trust in Jan Pieterzoon.
Replied by Kilrauko on topic The Line & Pack Alpha
Can The Line be used to reduce the cost of a retainer played through Pack Alpha?
Relevant ruling [LSJ 20090920]
The Line
Pack Alpha
Yes.
Longer;
LSJ has in the past ruled that groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/vSOt2c1uRzQ/m/MsRAv47Cd4YJ
1) "All cost-affecting cards operate no matter how the card is played ("as normal"
or otherwise). All multiplication and division is handled first, followed by
addition and subtraction.
Note that pay nothing still means pay nothing, even if something else would add
to the cost. So costs for cards canceled by Sudden Reversal or Direct
Intervention are still not paid, for example. And Bauble and Horrid Reality
still gets weapons for free. And similar for Helena and Dragos.
Similarly, cards that can be used to pay some of the cost of other cards can be
used whenever such a cost is being paid (regardless of whether the card is
played "as normal" or not)."
and
groups.google.com/g/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/c/cAGuCHSPIMY/m/22_BPQF8kMQJ
2) "Petri Wessman wrote:
> Two related questions: first off, can I use Powerbase Tswane or
> Eccentric Billionaire to reduce the cost of equipment I retrieve from
> my own ash heap via Kiss of Lachesis? Both say that they reduce the
> cost of a card I play by one, so does Kiss of Lachesis count for that?
Kiss counts that, yeah."
Relevant cards;
Name: Powerbase: Tshwane
[LoB:R]
Cardtype: Master
Master: unique location. Requires a ready Laibon.
Lock this location to reduce the cost of a card you play by 1 pool (this location is not locked if that card is canceled as it is played). Any Laibon may steal this location for his or her controller as a (D) action.
Artist: William O'Connor
Name: Eccentric Billionaire
[SoC:C]
Cardtype: Ally
Clan: Toreador antitribu
Cost: 3 pool
Mortal with 1 life. 0 strength, 2 bleed.
Billionaire may lock to reduce the cost of an equipment or location you or any of your minions play by 1 pool. Only one Billionaire may be used to reduce the cost of a given card.
Artist: Pat McEvoy
Name: Kiss of Lachesis
[BL:C1, LoB:C, POD:DTC]
Cardtype: Action
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Temporis/Serpentis
+1 stealth action.
[ser] (D) Burn a retainer or a non-unique equipment.
[tem] (D) Burn an ally, retainer or non-unique equipment.
[TEM] Move a non-unique equipment card from any Methuselah's ash heap to this vampire. If the equipment card comes from your ash heap, pay half the cost rounded down, otherwise pay no cost.
Artist: Dennis CaleroTrust in Jan Pieterzoon.
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19 Aug 2023 16:03 #109098
by inm8
Replied by inm8 on topic The Line & Pack Alpha
A retainer card usually is an action card 
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