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19 Sep 2011 19:16 - 25 Mar 2013 13:30 #10565 by Juggernaut1981
Scalpel Tongue + Priscus was created by Juggernaut1981
Can a Priscus be the target of a Scalpel Tongue by a vampire that is not part of the Priscus sub-referendum?

(i.e. is the Priscus Sub-referendum part of "this referendum")

Scalpel Tongue
Type: Action Modifier/Reaction
Requires: Celerity & Presence
Cost: 1 blood
Only usable during a referendum.
[cel]
 Choose a vampire who has cast one or more votes in this referendum. The chosen vampire is tapped and abstains during this referendum (this cancels that vampire's votes).

[CEL]
 As above, and the chosen vampire burns 1 blood.
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Last edit: 25 Mar 2013 13:30 by Pascal Bertrand.

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19 Sep 2011 20:40 #10570 by Adonai
Replied by Adonai on topic Re: Scalpel Tongue + Priscus
Yes, and yes.

See also:

LSJ 10-19-2006
groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/6da48d372d66038d

(Closest match of the 3 possible rulings.)

rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

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20 Sep 2011 07:23 - 20 Sep 2011 07:25 #10583 by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: Scalpel Tongue + Priscus

Yes, and yes.

See also:

LSJ 10-19-2006
groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/6da48d372d66038d

(Closest match of the 3 possible rulings.)

rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

You misread. Scalpel Tongue can't be played if the Priscus doesn't cast votes outside the Prisci subreferendum.

However, if he casts votes *also* in the main referendum (eg. Gratiano who has become Cardinal, or a Priscus playing Awe), his votes in the prisci subreferendum are lost as well (he abstains both in the main and the prisci referendums).

So the answer is "No" (was there a second question?)
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Last edit: 20 Sep 2011 07:25 by Ankha.

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20 Sep 2011 09:07 - 20 Sep 2011 09:10 #10594 by Pascal Bertrand
Replied by Pascal Bertrand on topic Re: Scalpel Tongue + Priscus
Ankha is correct.
Unless the Priscus casts "votes" (different from "Priscus vote"), they aren't an eligible target for Scalpel's Tongue.

[LSJ 20061019] wrote:

Scalpel Tongue requires that one or more "votes" have been cast, which means one
or more main referendum votes. Once played, however, Scalpel Tongue makes the
victim abstain, and that affects the victims prisci votes as well as his votes.


So, the answers to Juggernaut1981's questions are:
Yes, but only if the Pricus has cast votes in the main referendum. This happens with Genevieve, or when Stavros plays Bewitching Oration, or when Gratiano is a Cardinal.
Last edit: 20 Sep 2011 09:10 by Pascal Bertrand.

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