file Monocle of Clarity (& questions about the deck contents)

15 Dec 2011 15:50 #18555 by Wedge


I'm not asking what you "might" draw. I'm asking if a card is in your deck RIGHT NOW. The card is there, or it is not. This has NOTHING to do with any future whatsoever.


Sure, sure, but why are you asking? Isn't to know what you can expect LATER.
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15 Dec 2011 16:18 #18556 by Ankha

That's completely besides the point.

I'm not asking what you "might" draw. I'm asking if a card is in your deck RIGHT NOW. I'm not asking if you would swap that Smiling Jack for a Pentex if you would change the deck. The card is there, or it is not. This has NOTHING to do with any future whatsoever.


What Pascal indicated earlier with his example of Claws of the Dead/Wolf Claws is that you may not remember what is in your deck. Even if it's an Archon Investigation. You may have borrowed a deck. Have a poor memory. Have drunk to much the day before. Or be truthfully convinced you didn't put any <X> in your deck.

Now, you're supposed to answer truthfully. You may cheat on unverifiable elements and pretend you don't recall, or say you think there's none. Or you can truly don't remember.

In any case, be aware that when you ask a question pertaining to the deck content (an unverifiable element) the answer may be wrong.

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15 Dec 2011 16:29 #18558 by Izaak


I'm not asking what you "might" draw. I'm asking if a card is in your deck RIGHT NOW. The card is there, or it is not. This has NOTHING to do with any future whatsoever.


Sure, sure, but why are you asking? Isn't to know what you can expect LATER.


Why am I asking if you have a Deflection in your hand? Isn't it so I can expect that you can play it LATER?

You may cheat on unverifiable elements and pretend you don't recall


Exactly. And this is the weird thing. The rules *ALLOW* someone who wants to cheat do so legally! Similar to how the rules ALLOW someone to play unsleeved and cheat, would he want to.

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15 Dec 2011 16:49 #18561 by Boris The Blade
Izaak, what are you proposing instead?

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15 Dec 2011 17:03 #18564 by Wedge


Why am I asking if you have a Deflection in your hand? Isn't it so I can expect that you can play it LATER?

You may cheat on unverifiable elements and pretend you don't recall


Exactly. And this is the weird thing. The rules *ALLOW* someone who wants to cheat do so legally! Similar to how the rules ALLOW someone to play unsleeved and cheat, would he want to.


I suppose I see your point.

Is it legal to remove card(s) at random from your deck before the game or tournament?

It is not that cheating is allowed, but that it is to argues to enforce.
Cheating cheapens a win, what fun is that? I don't know why anyone would cheat in a game.

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15 Dec 2011 17:11 #18566 by Izaak

Izaak, what are you proposing instead?


Well, before this thread I wasn't even aware that not answering the question truthfully was allowed as long as you can just claim "whoops, forgot about that" when you get caught.

It's not as if Monocle sees a lot of play in the first place and I doubt a lot of players are cheating in VTES. However, similar to the card back problem, I find it extremely odd you are, if you want so, legally allowed to cheat.

The easy fix for Monocle has already been proposed earlier in the thread - allow it to only ask questions that are easily verifiable. Failing that (ya know, cos it's an errata and all) just get rid of the "whoops I forgot" escape. If you're not sure, as a judge to check. If you don't, and then later are caught giving the wrong answer, you get penalized.

Cheating cheapens a win, what fun is that? I don't know why anyone would cheat in a game.


This is besides the point.
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