file Descent into Darkness and Scarce

15 Feb 2012 08:13 #23063 by Ankha
I've googled for a potential way to avoid the scarce penalty and found lots of message from 2005 talking about a combo between Descent into Darkness and the scarce penalty.

I'm pretty sure it doesn't work and you can't avoid the scarce penalty using Descent into Darkness. Am I wrong?
(Or did the rule changed at one point?)

Descent into Darkness
Cardtype: Action
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Obtenebration
+1 stealth action.
[obt] Turn the acting vampire and any cards on him or her face down, out of play (breaking any temporary control effects). Put this card on him or her (in play). During your influence phase, move 2 blood to this face down vampire from the blood bank, and you can choose to burn this card to return the vampire to play, tapped.
[OBT] As above, but the vampire is untapped when he or she returns to play.

Scarce: When a Methuselah moves a scarce vampire from her uncontrolled region to her ready region during her influence phase, she must burn 3 pool for every other vampire of the same clan already in play.


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15 Feb 2012 09:04 #23078 by drnlmza
Why wouldn't it work? Descent into Darkness puts the vampire out of play, not in the uncontrolled region. Consequently, when they come back, the conditions for the scarce penalty aren't met, and it doesn't trigger.

Scarce: When a Methuselah moves a scarce vampire from her uncontrolled region to her ready region during her influence phase, she must burn 3 pool for every other vampire of the same clan already in play.

(emphasis added)

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15 Feb 2012 09:33 #23079 by Ankha

Why wouldn't it work? Descent into Darkness puts the vampire out of play, not in the uncontrolled region. Consequently, when they come back, the conditions for the scarce penalty aren't met, and it doesn't trigger.

Scarce: When a Methuselah moves a scarce vampire from her uncontrolled region to her ready region during her influence phase, she must burn 3 pool for every other vampire of the same clan already in play.

(emphasis added)

Thank you, I couldn't figure this out, I was stuck on the "during your influence phase."

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