Bahari Vampires

Juggernaut1981 wrote:

Well as I've mentioned in the past, it makes perfect sense for there two be two categories of weapons, based on their 'range of effectiveness'.

Can only cause damage/strike effectively at close range - Melee Weapon
Can cause damage/strike effectively at long range or close range - Ranged Weapon (i.e. Gun)

Of course not! That would be way too intuitive and not confusing enough.

If you're going to make game design changes and card text updates, that's fine.

But my general opinion about VTES and CCGs is treat the keywords as keywords. Ignore their "real world" meaning. If the rulebook or another game effect references that keyword, then follow the instructions.

Leaving room for "interpretation" only leads to more disagreements and confusion.

There are some prime candidates for additions to the glossary:

Move
Steal
Transfer

These are obvious ones that should be defined somewhere, and their distinctions made public. Where there is no difference, we should consider retrospective errata to introduce the keyword. It is one of the things I think which would be a useful errata of a number of cards; to add in keywords and/or replace phrases with the keyword.

Juggernaut1981 wrote:

Well as I've mentioned in the past, it makes perfect sense for there two be two categories of weapons, based on their 'range of effectiveness'.

Can only cause damage/strike effectively at close range - Melee Weapon
Can cause damage/strike effectively at long range or close range - Ranged Weapon (i.e. Gun)

Sweet! I'd love to be able to use ammo cards with the Ivory Bow. Note that, in the case of Mr. Winthrop, Retainer/Ally subtype was added in Final Nights and they decided to ensure that all Retainers and Allies had a subtype.

Juggernaut1981 wrote:

Well as I've mentioned in the past, it makes perfect sense for there two be two categories of weapons, based on their 'range of effectiveness'.

Can only cause damage/strike effectively at close range - Melee Weapon
Can cause damage/strike effectively at long range or close range - Ranged Weapon (i.e. Gun)

Pedantry: You probably don't mean "i.e. gun" (which implies ranged weapon = gun), but "e.g. gun" (that gun is an example). There are various ranged weapons that aren't guns, and which wouldn't make sense as guns (with the implications that they can use ammo and magazines).


However, even with that sort of situation, I can imagine close-range only weapons where I wouldn't be altogether happy with them being 'melee weapons'. For example, if a weapon can deal damage but I wasn't altogether happy with it combining with Undead Strength, I might want to avoid it being a melee weapon. (For a weapon that doesn't deal damage, like Rowan Ring, it's less of an issue because adding to no damage still leaves you at no damage.) Obvious possibilities there would include:

• electrical weapons, such as a cattle-prod, which I could reasonably see being something like: Strike: 2 damage, or 3 damage if the opponent is mortal
• a contact poison (although I might not make that instant damage anyway)
• a mystical artefact doing some sort of close-range magic damage

In any of those situations, were I a designer, I'd be quite pleased that melee weapon was an optional, commonly-used keyword to consider, rather than a definition.