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27 Feb 2012 11:26 #24186 by Klaital
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I gather that the 3 votes of the prisci block are not affected by multipliers, but do multipliers apply to the votes of the prisci in the sub-referendum? Like for example I have Orlando Oriundus and Malgorzata out, does Orlando's special double the votes Malgorzata gets in the prisci sub-referendum?

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27 Feb 2012 11:46 #24187 by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: Multipliers and prisci?

I gather that the 3 votes of the prisci block are not affected by multipliers, but do multipliers apply to the votes of the prisci in the sub-referendum? Like for example I have Orlando Oriundus and Malgorzata out, does Orlando's special double the votes Malgorzata gets in the prisci sub-referendum?

You're too lazy to quote card texts? Letting other persons do it is not very kind, especially when you're expecting an answer.
Anyway...

Name: Orlando Oriundus
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Tremere antitribu
Group: 4
Capacity: 9
Discipline: obf AUS DOM THA
Sabbat bishop: During a referendum, if Orlando is ready, your vampires' votes are doubled when results are tallied, and other multipliers may not be played on your vampires. +1 bleed.


Priscus don't cast votes but ballots.
Even with the old cardtexts, everything that refered to votes never applied to priscus votes (except when stated otherwise, like Free States Rant)

Name: Free States Rant
Cardtype: Political Action
Requires an Independent vampire.
Allocate X points among one or more ready vampires, where X is half the capacity of the acting vampire (rounded up). No more than 3 points can be allocated to each vampire. Successful referendum means each vampire burns 1 blood for each point assigned. In this referendum, {non-priscus titles are worth 1 fewer vote each, priscus title is worth 1 less ballot}, and burning the Edge is worth an additional vote.

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27 Feb 2012 11:47 - 27 Feb 2012 11:52 #24188 by Pascal Bertrand
Replied by Pascal Bertrand on topic Re: Multipliers and prisci?
Prisci have no votes (unless they play cards that actually give them votes, such as Bewitching Oration).
They have ballots.
What affects ballots affects ballots.
What only affects votes only affects votes.


Here's the relevent cardtext and section of the rulebook:

Orlando Oriundus
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Tremere antitribu
Group: 4
Capacity: 9
Discipline: obf AUS DOM THA
Sabbat bishop: During a referendum, if Orlando is ready, your vampires' votes are doubled when results are tallied, and other multipliers may not be played on your vampires. +1 bleed.


Rulebook 6.3.3 wrote:

The Prisci Block. The prisci as a group have 3 votes. During a referendum, the prisci block of 3 votes is cast "for" or "against" the referendum according to the prisci subreferendum. Each ready priscus provides 1 ballot for this subreferendum, and votes may not be used in this subreferendum. Each ballot cast is either "for" or "against" the main referendum. Whichever side has the greater number of ballots in the subreferendum gains 3 votes in the main referendum. If the subreferendum is tied, the prisci block abstains from the main vote. As vampires cast their ballots in the subreferendum, the prisci block of 3 votes might shift between "for", "against", and "abstain" (as the majority in the subreferendum changes). A vampire must cast all of his votes and ballots in agreement.

Last edit: 27 Feb 2012 11:52 by Pascal Bertrand.

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27 Feb 2012 11:48 #24189 by jamesatzephyr
Replied by jamesatzephyr on topic Re: Multipliers and prisci?

I gather that the 3 votes of the prisci block are not affected by multipliers, but do multipliers apply to the votes of the prisci in the sub-referendum?


No.

Prisci don't have votes in the sub-referendum. They have ballots. Ballots aren't votes. [RTR 20111202]

A “ballot” is the name of the former’s priscus vote, cast in the prisci subreferendum. A ballot isn’t a vote, so some cardtexts were updated to match the distinction.


Prior to that change, the answer was still no.
[RTR 20061019]

Orlando affects "votes" which means only main referendum votes.

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