Karsh
13 May 2012 14:16 #30146
by Pendargon
I have in play merged Karsh, and Fall of the camarilla is in play.
1. Does Karsh retain his 3 votes as Imperator? ( i think yes, as Imerator is not by default a camarilla title, at least is not listed as such in the rulebook : Only Camarilla vampires can hold the Camarilla titles primogen, prince, justicar and Inner Circle member. Additionally, each clan's justicar and Inner Circle titles are unique (see Contested Titles, sec. 4.2) )
2. Is Karsh still able to play Blood hunt card from hand or ash heap? ( i would say yes, as he plays it AS prince or justicar, though he never is one )
Thanx in advance
Gangrel
Capacity: 10
Group: 3
Advanced, Camarilla: Karsh may play a Blood Hunt card from your hand or ash heap as a prince. He gets 3 additional votes in blood hunt referendums. He cannot block infernal vampires.
[MERGED] Imperator (3 votes): +1 intercept.
Fall of the Camarilla, Event, 3 Gehenna cards
Gehenna. Do not replace as long as this card is in play. Requires at least three other Gehenna cards in play. There is no Camarilla. Any Camarilla vampire is considered Independent instead.
1. Does Karsh retain his 3 votes as Imperator? ( i think yes, as Imerator is not by default a camarilla title, at least is not listed as such in the rulebook : Only Camarilla vampires can hold the Camarilla titles primogen, prince, justicar and Inner Circle member. Additionally, each clan's justicar and Inner Circle titles are unique (see Contested Titles, sec. 4.2) )
2. Is Karsh still able to play Blood hunt card from hand or ash heap? ( i would say yes, as he plays it AS prince or justicar, though he never is one )
Thanx in advance
Gangrel
Capacity: 10
Group: 3
Advanced, Camarilla: Karsh may play a Blood Hunt card from your hand or ash heap as a prince. He gets 3 additional votes in blood hunt referendums. He cannot block infernal vampires.
[MERGED] Imperator (3 votes): +1 intercept.
Fall of the Camarilla, Event, 3 Gehenna cards
Gehenna. Do not replace as long as this card is in play. Requires at least three other Gehenna cards in play. There is no Camarilla. Any Camarilla vampire is considered Independent instead.







Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
13 May 2012 15:42 - 13 May 2012 15:43 #30149
by TorranceCircle
Replied by TorranceCircle on topic Re: Karsh
I copied this from secret library:
Imperator
Political Action
Title.
Choose a Camarilla vampire with capacity 8 or more. If this referendum is successful, put this card on the chosen vampire to represent the unique Camarilla title of Imperator (worth 3 votes). This vampire may play a Blood Hunt card from your hand or ash heap as a prince. This vampire gets 3 additional votes in blood hunt referendums.
Artist(s): Justin Norman
Set(s): Promo-20090401
This would seem to indicate it is a camarilla title.
Imperator
Political Action
Title.
Choose a Camarilla vampire with capacity 8 or more. If this referendum is successful, put this card on the chosen vampire to represent the unique Camarilla title of Imperator (worth 3 votes). This vampire may play a Blood Hunt card from your hand or ash heap as a prince. This vampire gets 3 additional votes in blood hunt referendums.
Artist(s): Justin Norman
Set(s): Promo-20090401
This would seem to indicate it is a camarilla title.
Last edit: 13 May 2012 15:43 by TorranceCircle.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- TorranceCircle
-
- Offline
- Methuselah
-
Less
More
- Posts: 415
- Thank you received: 58
13 May 2012 16:48 #30152
by Pendargon
yes, i know that, but it is on the card. As far as i understand previous rulings, when Karsh merges, he gets only 6 votes in blood hunt referendums, not 9 (which would be implied by the full cardtext of the imperator).
That is why i am confused. Is the cardtext of the imperator card relevant to describe the whole imperator title benefit, or not?
That is why i am confused. Is the cardtext of the imperator card relevant to describe the whole imperator title benefit, or not?







Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
13 May 2012 17:03 #30153
by Pascal Bertrand
Replied by Pascal Bertrand on topic Re: Karsh
It should be in the rulebook that Imperator is a Camarilla title.
However, one should not confuse the effects of the Imperator card (quoted above) and the Imperator title (unique, worth 3 votes, and that's all).
Similarly, the Prince of Rome doesn't get 1 extra capacity if they are Brujah, even though the Praxis Seizure: Rome does increase the Brujah Prince of Rome's capacity by one.
However, one should not confuse the effects of the Imperator card (quoted above) and the Imperator title (unique, worth 3 votes, and that's all).
Similarly, the Prince of Rome doesn't get 1 extra capacity if they are Brujah, even though the Praxis Seizure: Rome does increase the Brujah Prince of Rome's capacity by one.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- Pascal Bertrand
-
- Offline
- Moderator
-
Less
More
- Posts: 4268
- Thank you received: 1186
13 May 2012 17:52 #30155
by Megabaja
Ignorance is bliss.
Cypher, Matrix
Wait if non merged Karsh becomes Imperator he gets:
by cardtext of Imperator:
Choose a Camarilla vampire with capacity 8 or more. If this referendum is successful, put this card on the chosen vampire to represent the unique Camarilla title of Imperator (worth 3 votes). This vampire may play a Blood Hunt card from your hand or ash heap as a prince. This vampire gets 3 additional votes in blood hunt referendums.
by text on Karsh ADV:
Advanced, Camarilla: Karsh may play a Blood Hunt card from your hand or ash heap as a prince. He gets 3 additional votes in blood hunt referendums. He cannot block infernal vampires.
It is 3 votes during referendums and and additional 6 in blood hunts. Or am I wrong?
by cardtext of Imperator:
Choose a Camarilla vampire with capacity 8 or more. If this referendum is successful, put this card on the chosen vampire to represent the unique Camarilla title of Imperator (worth 3 votes). This vampire may play a Blood Hunt card from your hand or ash heap as a prince. This vampire gets 3 additional votes in blood hunt referendums.
by text on Karsh ADV:
Advanced, Camarilla: Karsh may play a Blood Hunt card from your hand or ash heap as a prince. He gets 3 additional votes in blood hunt referendums. He cannot block infernal vampires.
It is 3 votes during referendums and and additional 6 in blood hunts. Or am I wrong?
Ignorance is bliss.
Cypher, Matrix

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
13 May 2012 17:57 #30156
by Pendargon
you are wrong.
Imperator is just a title worth 3 votes. Becoming the Imperator by CARD Imperator gives you additional benefits.
If you pascal say that Imperator is by default a Camarilla title, then it is so indeed, and yes, i agree, it should be in the rulebook.
How about answer to my second question then?
Imperator is just a title worth 3 votes. Becoming the Imperator by CARD Imperator gives you additional benefits.
If you pascal say that Imperator is by default a Camarilla title, then it is so indeed, and yes, i agree, it should be in the rulebook.
How about answer to my second question then?







Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
Time to create page: 0.091 seconds
- You are here:
-
Home
-
Forum
-
V:TES Discussion
-
Rules Questions
- Karsh