Another Summon History Q

jhattara wrote:

In short: Inferior version can get Imbued from the ash heap (not from uncontrolled region or crypt) with cost as their capacity. Superior version can not get Imbued.

www.vekn.net/index.php/rulebook/appendix-imbued-rules

Their cost is also their starting life, and it is specified on each card individually (like capacity).

Correct.

And as quoted by Suoli, the Imbued would come in play with an amount of blood counters equal to his/her life (listed on the card).


EDIT: @ Reyda: The fact that Imbueds have a cost isn't a ruling. It's the rules, as written in the Rulebook:
Rulebook,Imbued Appendix wrote:

Their cost is also their starting life, and it is specified on each card individually (like capacity).

thank you.
know : providing that "the cost of an ally" and " the cost to recruit an ally" are two separate entity, may I ask a question : is it really worth making the distinction ?
It's an innocent question and no trolling will ensue, I swear

Reyda wrote:

know : providing that "the cost of an ally" and " the cost to recruit an ally" are two separate entity, may I ask a question : is it really worth making the distinction ?

It flows from the fact that Imbued aren't recruited in recruit actions.

Similarly, an Assault Rifle has a "cost" and a "cost to equip", but not a "cost to be recruited" - because, obviously, they aren't recruited. Similarly, Arika has a cost, but not a cost to be recruited.

At that point, it's just following card text. And while Nights of Reckoning could have changed all sorts of cards (and it might have been nice if it did), that didn't happen. And every ruling/errata/clarification has a "cost", in terms of communication, changing the game etc.


Further, it's probably not a good idea that a political deck can call Kindred Segregation and totally blow an Imbued deck up from more or less nowhere. So the distinction works to overall balance in this case. Or you'd potentially have to issue a ruling collapsing the distinction, but also errata Kindred Segregation.

(Imbued may have been overpowered at various points in the past, but even then, you don't generally achieve useful game balance by creating a single "zOMG my whole deck is on fire" moment. Much like Return to Innocence suddenly whacking you for 14 damage in one go was a bit too much "Aargh, I'm covered in bees".)

(Oh, and then the Daughters deck playing Echo of Harmonies sets your trousers on fire again. Sad face.)

jamesatzephyr wrote:

Further, it's probably not a good idea that a political deck can call Kindred Segregation and totally blow an Imbued deck up from more or less nowhere. So the distinction works to overall balance in this case.

Why?

How is this different than any deck playin scourge of enochians and killing any embrace deck?

Pendargon wrote:

jamesatzephyr wrote:

Further, it's probably not a good idea that a political deck can call Kindred Segregation and totally blow an Imbued deck up from more or less nowhere. So the distinction works to overall balance in this case.

Why?

How is this different than any deck playin scourge of enochians and killing any embrace deck?

Because while burning 1 and a bit 2-capacity vampires per cycle round the table is annoying (and I dislike Scourge, but for other reasons), losing 15 pool or 15 pool worth of protagonists right now is totally nuts. Additionally, only one Scourge can be played per game.


More to the point, one does not justify creating face-scrapingly awful clusterfucks by saying "We already have one - why not two?" If Scourge is that bad (it probably isn't), the correct thing to do is fix it, not create more.