Entombment vs. Undead Persistence

Toad wrote:

jamesatzephyr wrote:

At Fortitude, the "go to torpor" effect would just be ignored, making it basically a free card to cycle.

... a free card to cycle which prevents the vampire from burning and continues the Undead Persistence combat, though, right?

Yeah, early morning brain fart.

An important thing when reading the following is that the previous scenario had already had Vamp A play Undead Persistence due to being wounded (by something). So the second one isn't playable, because the vampire is never going to torpor in combat (due to the first UP's text). But it confirms you can play AtA in that situation, and stay in combat.

[LSJ 20020622]

LSJ wrote:

> Ok, but i was meaning a different thing:
> vamp A is being burned due aggro damage in combat,
> vamp A plays Ashes to Ashes at the fortitude version
> (then vampire A is not burned, but sent to torpor instead), can
> vamp A plays undead persistence at that point (going into torpor
> due AtA, and keeping himself in combat with UP)?

No, since AtA won't send him to torpor - the previously-played UP
is keeping him out of torpor, as The Lasombra said. The
previously-played UP keeps him in combat

Correct answers.

UP keeps the vampire from going to torpor. If an effect would send a vampire under UP to torpor in that combat, it has no effect (regarding the sending to torpor - other effects are, orf course, kept). This applies to Entombment, Rowan Ring, Ashes to Ashes, Mummify, etc.

Correct answers.

UP keeps the vampire from going to torpor. If an effect would send a vampire under UP to torpor in that combat, it has no effect (regarding the sending to torpor - other effects are, orf course, kept). This applies to Entombment, Rowan Ring, Ashes to Ashes, Mummify, etc.

Correct answers.

UP keeps the vampire from going to torpor. If an effect would send a vampire under UP to torpor in that combat, it has no effect (regarding the sending to torpor - other effects are, orf course, kept). This applies to Entombment, Rowan Ring, Ashes to Ashes, Mummify, etc.

[LSJ 20100218]

LSJ wrote:

> Another scenario, I might have asked this one before though not in
> these specific terms:
> Vampire A strikes Coma on Vampire B (no dodge etc)
> Vampire B plays undead persistance and continues combat with a press

... Vampire B is wounded at this point.

> Vampire A strikes Coma again on Vampire B (no dodge etc)

Wounding B again (which B ignores because of Undead Persistence).

I never knew this from the rulebook:

Wounded: A vampire who has received damage that he has not healed or a vampire in torpor or on his way to torpor is said to be wounded.

A vampire struck with a "send a vampire to torpor" strike is wounded. Huh.

That would mean that if your vampire struck with superior Coma, Entombment, or Rowan Ring and you had a Ghould Retainer and the Ivory Bow, the opposing vampire would be burned unless he could prevent the aggravated damage.

It also means that UP won't prevent the vampire from eventually going to torpor because of Coma or Entombment whenever combat ends, and I would have thought that would be the case.