file Ex Nihilo + Concordance

16 Jun 2012 02:01 #32157 by Juggernaut1981
Would these two cards make you immune to all damage if on the same minion??

Ex Nihilo
Type: Action
Requires: Necromancy
Cost: 1 blood
+1 stealth action.
[nec] Put this card on this vampire. This vampire gets +1 stealth. Damage he or she inflicts in combat is reduced to 0, and he or she is immune to non-aggravated damage. This vampire cannot gain blood; any blood he or she gains goes to the blood bank instead. During your master phase, this vampire burns 1 blood or is burned. You may burn this card during your untap phase.
[NEC] As above, but you may burn this card during any Methuselah's untap phase.

Concordance
Type: Action
Requires: Daimoinon/Serpentis
Cost: 1 blood
+1 stealth action.
[ser] (D) Bleed. If more than 1 pool is bled with this action, ignore the excess.
[dai] Requires an infernal vampire. Put this card on the acting vampire. This vampire treats aggravated damage as normal damage and has +1 strength and -1 stealth.
[DAI] As [dai] above, and this vampire has flight [FLIGHT]. During your influence phase, this vampire may burn 1 blood to untap.

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16 Jun 2012 02:28 - 16 Jun 2012 02:29 #32158 by 1up20x6
Replied by 1up20x6 on topic Re: Ex Nihilo + Concordance
I don't think so, because even the vampire treats aggravated damage as normal damage, it still actually is aggravated, so Nihilo wouldn't defend against it.

Think of it like this - the vampire treats it as normal damage, but Nihilo doesn't.

I'm sure someone else can find the ruling that states this.

Any deck can win, whether you're using stealth bleed, rush combat, or Soul Gem combos. It doesn't matter if your minions use Auspex, Thaumaturgy, or Melpominee. What matters is the Methuselah uses Presence. That is how deals are made. That is how games are won.

No, you misunderstand. I don't want...
Last edit: 16 Jun 2012 02:29 by 1up20x6.

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16 Jun 2012 05:19 - 16 Jun 2012 10:17 #32160 by Boris The Blade
Questions about aggravated damage being treated as normal pop up about once per month. It shows that the wording "treats as" is not clear enough. How about "this vampire can heal aggravated damage and is not destroyed by unhealed aggravated damage" instead?
Last edit: 16 Jun 2012 10:17 by Boris The Blade.

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16 Jun 2012 07:21 #32163 by Ke.
Replied by Ke. on topic Re: Ex Nihilo + Concordance
Has been ruled on before here .

> on the other hand, if aggravated damage is treated as normal because
> of a card text, and you are immune to normal damage, then you must be
> immune to all damage that you treat as normal.
Correct.

The vampire treats the incoming unprevented aggravated damage as if
it were normal damage.

If this vampire is immune to normal damage (via Ex Nihilo for example),
then the incoming damage which he treats as normal will be ignored.

LSJ

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16 Jun 2012 14:09 #32167 by DeathInABottle
Neat. Now what can you do with Valerius to make this worthwhile?

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16 Jun 2012 19:31 #32177 by Pullen
Replied by Pullen on topic Re: Ex Nihilo + Concordance
It works and all, but it's not worth it. Most of the effect counter each other so all you end up with is flight, no damage coming in or out and bleeding yourself and your minion.

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