file Vidal Jarbeaux and "traits" / "Lilith's Blessing"

08 Feb 2013 11:17 #44994 by Hakuron
Hello,

this is a "Vidal Jarbeaux" question, so maybe it has been answered before ...

Vidal Jarbeaux

Camarilla: Vidal can meet the clan, sect, or non-infernal vampire trait (e.g., anarch) requirement to play any card. He can meet a given requirement only once each game. +1 bleed.


Since I could find nothing on "traits" in the Rulings Sections, I will take the following definition for them.

Traits are basically the bold terms found at the top of card text to give it some kind of label. Some traits have rulebook-defined meaning or effect. Others do not. Clan and uniqueness are also traits.


Now my question: If "X" is a trait, is "non-X" also a trait?

For example: Can Vidal benefit twice from "Lilith's Blessing"? First time being non-Bahari, second time emulating non-Bahari (being actually Bahari)?

Lilith's Blessing

Master.
Put this card in play. As a master phase action, you may tap this card to search your library for a master: Discipline card and choose a ready non-Bahari vampire you control who has no blood. That vampire gains the Discipline card (if any) and 3 blood and becomes Bahari.


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08 Feb 2013 11:34 #44996 by Pascal Bertrand

Hello,

this is a "Vidal Jarbeaux" question, so maybe it has been answered before ...

Vidal Jarbeaux

Camarilla: Vidal can meet the clan, sect, or non-infernal vampire trait (e.g., anarch) requirement to play any card. He can meet a given requirement only once each game. +1 bleed.


Since I could find nothing on "traits" in the Rulings Sections, I will take the following definition for them.

Traits are basically the bold terms found at the top of card text to give it some kind of label. Some traits have rulebook-defined meaning or effect. Others do not. Clan and uniqueness are also traits.


Now my question: If "X" is a trait, is "non-X" also a trait?

As far as Vidal is concerned, yes. [LSJ 20081120]

For example: Can Vidal benefit twice from "Lilith's Blessing"? First time being non-Bahari, second time emulating non-Bahari (being actually Bahari)?

Lilith's Blessing

Master.
Put this card in play. As a master phase action, you may tap this card to search your library for a master: Discipline card and choose a ready non-Bahari vampire you control who has no blood. That vampire gains the Discipline card (if any) and 3 blood and becomes Bahari.

Lilith's Blessing has no requirement when played, so Vidal's text doesn't interact with Lilith's Blessing - Vidal can only fake a trait to have a card played, and not when it would be used.

So, short answer: Vidal can get 3 blood from Lilith's Blessing only once per Vidal.
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