Stutter Step vs ...
27 Jun 2014 05:16 - 27 Jun 2014 05:22 #63385
by direwolf
It could be ruled that Quickness can be played after Stutter-step. Stutter-step limits the number of additional strike cards, and quickness does not count limits to additional strike cards.
The rule-of-thumb is that cards can bypass the rules via card text, if a card would change the rules, then another card can bypass that card text changes.
By ruling that Quickness is not playable after Stutter-step, you are making a bad card worse at the expense of nothing.
Independent Futurist. Contrarian (titled, X votes where X is the number of votes as the acting minion.) Target Vitals is always the better combat card.
Replied by direwolf on topic Re: Stutter Step vs ...
Quickness cannot be played after Stutter-step due to Stutter-Step's text.I am not sure Quickness neccessarily cannot played after Stutter Step. After all, it is worded in a way to specifically contradict additional strike rulings:
Rulebook
6.4.3. Strike
A minion cannot use more than one card or effect to gain additional strikes per round of combat.
It could be ruled that Quickness can be played after Stutter-step. Stutter-step limits the number of additional strike cards, and quickness does not count limits to additional strike cards.
The rule-of-thumb is that cards can bypass the rules via card text, if a card would change the rules, then another card can bypass that card text changes.
By ruling that Quickness is not playable after Stutter-step, you are making a bad card worse at the expense of nothing.
Independent Futurist. Contrarian (titled, X votes where X is the number of votes as the acting minion.) Target Vitals is always the better combat card.
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27 Jun 2014 17:15 #63400
by direwolf
Stutter-step says you can't use additional strikes. That is a limit. Quickness says it does not count as a limit.
Independent Futurist. Contrarian (titled, X votes where X is the number of votes as the acting minion.) Target Vitals is always the better combat card.
Replied by direwolf on topic Re: Stutter Step vs ...
Quickness cannot be played after Stutter-step due to Stutter-Step's text.I am not sure Quickness neccessarily cannot played after Stutter Step. After all, it is worded in a way to specifically contradict additional strike rulings:
Rulebook
6.4.3. Strike
A minion cannot use more than one card or effect to gain additional strikes per round of combat.
It could be ruled that Quickness can be played after Stutter-step. Stutter-step limits the number of additional strike cards, and quickness does not count limits to additional strike cards.
The rule-of-thumb is that cards can bypass the rules via card text, if a card would change the rules, then another card can bypass that card text changes.
By ruling that Quickness is not playable after Stutter-step, you are making a bad card worse at the expense of nothing.
It's not a ruling, it's Stutter Step's card text.
Stutter step does not say "your additional strike's source limit (or xwhatever) is reduced by 1" (which would allow Quickness), it says you can't use any additional strike.
As a side note, I don't think it's a bad card. Cornercase yes, which is fitting for a rare.
Stutter-step says you can't use additional strikes. That is a limit. Quickness says it does not count as a limit.
Independent Futurist. Contrarian (titled, X votes where X is the number of votes as the acting minion.) Target Vitals is always the better combat card.
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27 Jun 2014 18:41 - 27 Jun 2014 18:42 #63401
by Ankha
1/ Rule says "A minion cannot use more than one card or effect to gain additional strikes per round of combat."
2/ Stutter-Step says "Not usable as an additional strike, and this vampire cannot use any additional strikes this round."
3/ Quickness says "this additional strike card does not count against this vampire's additional strike effect limit for this round."
Quickness addresses the limit set by the rule 1/
Stutter-Step forbids any use of additional strike. It doesn't say that it counts against the additional strike limit.
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: Stutter Step vs ...
No, Stutter-Step and Quickness refer to two different things.Stutter-step says you can't use additional strikes. That is a limit. Quickness says it does not count as a limit.
1/ Rule says "A minion cannot use more than one card or effect to gain additional strikes per round of combat."
2/ Stutter-Step says "Not usable as an additional strike, and this vampire cannot use any additional strikes this round."
3/ Quickness says "this additional strike card does not count against this vampire's additional strike effect limit for this round."
Quickness addresses the limit set by the rule 1/
Stutter-Step forbids any use of additional strike. It doesn't say that it counts against the additional strike limit.
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