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Toreador grand ball. what if we burn the vampire who is the host?
15 Apr 2013 12:16 #46983
by AriusZet
Toreador Grand Ball
Master.
Put this card in play. Choose 2 ready Toreador you control. The first Toreador's non-bleed actions cannot be blocked. The second Toreador does not untap as normal during the untap phase; tap the second Toreador. Any minion may burn this card as a
action; Nosferatu get -1 stealth when attempting that action.
Clarification: The same vampire can serve as the "second Toreador" for multiple Toreador Grand Balls. [TOM 19960528]
Ruling: The first Toreador chosen for the Toreador Grand Ball is unblockable on all actions except bleed actions. This remains true even after the vampire attempts a bleed.
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Question: What happens if the second toreador (Who is "hosting" the ball, the tapped one) is burned? (from combat or whatever)
Does the Ball leaves play? Or the "Toreador Grand Ball" is acting on its own? After the "Toreador Grand Ball" entered play, is it depend on the second vampire or not?
Master.
Put this card in play. Choose 2 ready Toreador you control. The first Toreador's non-bleed actions cannot be blocked. The second Toreador does not untap as normal during the untap phase; tap the second Toreador. Any minion may burn this card as a

Clarification: The same vampire can serve as the "second Toreador" for multiple Toreador Grand Balls. [TOM 19960528]
Ruling: The first Toreador chosen for the Toreador Grand Ball is unblockable on all actions except bleed actions. This remains true even after the vampire attempts a bleed.
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Question: What happens if the second toreador (Who is "hosting" the ball, the tapped one) is burned? (from combat or whatever)
Does the Ball leaves play? Or the "Toreador Grand Ball" is acting on its own? After the "Toreador Grand Ball" entered play, is it depend on the second vampire or not?
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15 Apr 2013 12:23 #46984
by Pascal Bertrand
Nothing happens regarding the Toreador Grand Ball.
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Master.
Put this card in play. Choose 2 ready Toreador you control. The first Toreador's non-bleed actions cannot be blocked. The second Toreador does not untap as normal during the untap phase; tap the second Toreador. Any minion may burn this card as aaction; Nosferatu get -1 stealth when attempting that action.
Clarification: The same vampire can serve as the "second Toreador" for multiple Toreador Grand Balls. [TOM 19960528]
Ruling: The first Toreador chosen for the Toreador Grand Ball is unblockable on all actions except bleed actions. This remains true even after the vampire attempts a bleed.
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Question: What happens if the second toreador (Who is "hosting" the ball, the tapped one) is burned? (from combat or whatever)
Nothing happens regarding the Toreador Grand Ball.
No, as nothing would trigger this.Does the Ball leaves play?
It is always so. Toreador Grand Ball isn't on any minion, so, unless explicit cardtext (which isn't here), it is unaffected by the burning of the minion chosen when it was played.Or the "Toreador Grand Ball" is acting on its own?
No. It is also not "dependent" on the first vampire - if the unblockable vampire is burned, the second vampire (the tapped one) still won't untap. And both effects last as long as the Grand Ball is in play.After the "Toreador Grand Ball" entered play, is it depend on the second vampire or not?
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15 Apr 2013 12:24 #46985
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: Toreador grand ball. what if we burn the vampire who is the host?
No, nothing says so.Toreador Grand Ball
Master.
Put this card in play. Choose 2 ready Toreador you control. The first Toreador's non-bleed actions cannot be blocked. The second Toreador does not untap as normal during the untap phase; tap the second Toreador. Any minion may burn this card as aaction; Nosferatu get -1 stealth when attempting that action.
Clarification: The same vampire can serve as the "second Toreador" for multiple Toreador Grand Balls. [TOM 19960528]
Ruling: The first Toreador chosen for the Toreador Grand Ball is unblockable on all actions except bleed actions. This remains true even after the vampire attempts a bleed.
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Question: What happens if the second toreador (Who is "hosting" the ball, the tapped one) is burned? (from combat or whatever)
Does the Ball leaves play?
While in play, the TGB stays active.Or the "Toreador Grand Ball" is acting on its own?
It keeps on preventing the second vampire from untapping as normal (if the vampire is still there).After the "Toreador Grand Ball" entered play, is it depend on the second vampire or not?
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15 Apr 2013 12:27 #46986
by Jeff Kuta
Nothing changes.
No.
Yes.
Not exactly.
Both Toreador get an effect from TGB. The first one gets the effect "non-bleed actions cannot be blocked." The second one gets "does not untap as normal." If the second Toreador is no longer in play for some reason, it still gets the effect, even though it is moot.
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Question: What happens if the second toreador (Who is "hosting" the ball, the tapped one) is burned? (from combat or whatever)
Nothing changes.
Does the Ball leaves play?
No.
Or the "Toreador Grand Ball" is acting on its own?
Yes.
After the "Toreador Grand Ball" entered play, is it depend on the second vampire or not?
Not exactly.
Both Toreador get an effect from TGB. The first one gets the effect "non-bleed actions cannot be blocked." The second one gets "does not untap as normal." If the second Toreador is no longer in play for some reason, it still gets the effect, even though it is moot.
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15 Apr 2013 18:25 #46992
by Lönkka
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15 Apr 2013 19:25 #46995
by Silmegil
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