Rötschreck

My prey acting, its the fact that gotsdam has 3 specials and people forget them that madexhim screw up, i think...
Id assume having an index finger would be obvious enough to detercrotschreck. In theory, at least....

Jeff wrote:

If your predator was acting, he couldn't have played Rotschreck at all since it is an out-of-turn Master.

Easily done with Madness Network, or any other out-of-turn acting.

jamesatzephyr wrote:

ReverendRevolver wrote:

A quick sidenote on the "guy treating agg as normal":
At a tournament, i was running my gotsdam deck, and i used burst of sunlight with gotsdam while blocking and rotschrecked. My predator rotshcrecked me and my cross table suddened it before i could point out the second rotschreck couldnt be played since gotsdam is immune to frenzy cards.

I have two problems:

Problem 3 (of 2):

If it was your own Burst of Sunlight that was being used to send you to torpor, that's a misplay.

If your opponent was also hitting you with something agg, carry on.

Didnt even think if that, i was solid in my faith that since gotsdam didnt have seeds of corruptuon on him he couldnt be frenzied, but apparently it was a misplay by my predator twofold....

jamesatzephyr wrote:

ReverendRevolver wrote:

A quick sidenote on the "guy treating agg as normal":
At a tournament, i was running my gotsdam deck, and i used burst of sunlight with gotsdam while blocking and rotschrecked. My predator rotshcrecked me and my cross table suddened it before i could point out the second rotschreck couldnt be played since gotsdam is immune to frenzy cards.

I have two problems:

1) If you'd been allowed to play your Rotschreck (you had the impulse etc.), it should have been resolved. Combat would have ended. With combat ended, there are no strikes to threaten anyone, so the second one isn't playable. So either yours was a misplay (you didn't have the impulse and were accidentally hasty), or the second one was a misplay (not playable after combat).

[LSJ 20050322] (The formatting of the post is quite awkward due to some newsreader fun going on at the time between LSJ and Reyda's newsreaders. I don't think I'm mis-representing anything.)

Non-existant user wrote:

Reyda: so it is in fact impossible to have two rotschreck played in the same combat?
LSJ: Correct.

It then discusses the situation with Psyche! or Telepathic Tracking (the source of agg damage is long gone). I guess for completeness, you could Rotschreck, Sudden, Rotschreck - which doesn't appear to have happened in your situation.


2) You can play Rotschreck on Gotsdam, but he's immune to it. Immune doesn't mean "cannot be targetted", it means "the effect will do nothing to me". This is from RTR 07-07-07:

RTR wrote:

Rötschreck can be played on a vampire who is immune to Frenzy cards (uselessly, since the target is immune to it).

It applies to other Frenzy cards too.

So the second Rotschreck is not a technical misplay - it can be played on Gotsdam. The player playing it may not have realised it would have no effect, of course.



Edit to add: Consider Ex Nihilo making you immune to non-agg damage. You can still be targeted by damage-dealing effects (e.g. the ever-popular Talbot's Chainsaw). Same deal here.

Correct on all points - except perhaps the "uselessly".

If you play Rötschreck on Gotsdam while he is in combat, the combat will end (as this particular effect of Rötschreck isn't affecting Gotsdam). [LSJ 20070904] .