file Villein with 0 or 1 blood

22 Dec 2013 17:35 - 22 Dec 2013 17:37 #57965 by Pascek
Hello Pascal,

Can you please tell me where can I find the ruling that states that a player that plays Villein on a vampire with 1 or 0 blood needs to take all the blood from it?

I am trying to find but no success.

Thank you,

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22 Dec 2013 18:04 #57969 by Klaital
You don't need any ruling for that, its all in villeins card text. You must take at least 2 blood with villein, if the vampire has less than that, you still need to try to take 2, which obviously results in taking all it has. Same as if you do an action that you cannot afford to pay at the resolution anymore, you still have to use all the blood the vampire has to try to pay the cost of the action.
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22 Dec 2013 18:07 #57970 by Pascek
Thanks.

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22 Dec 2013 19:18 #57975 by Pascek
Klaital, do you know where can I find it in written text officially?

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22 Dec 2013 19:34 - 22 Dec 2013 19:37 #57978 by jamesatzephyr
[LSJ 20090316]

Jozxyqk wrote:
> If I have a vampire with only 1 blood, can I play Villein on him,
> and take just that 1 blood?
>
> "Put this card on a vampire you control and move 2 or more blood
> from that vampire to your pool..."
>
> The reason I ask is I remember LSJ ruling that if Menele had only
> 1 blood, he could still use his ability with 1 blood, just like
> Drain Essence can still be played against a vampire with 1 blood and
> steal 1, etc.
Yes.


For zero blood, see also: [LSJ 20081126]

Tetragrammaton wrote:
> In order to play the card, the target vampire *must* have
> at least two blood to be taken off, or Villein can also be played on a
> vampire with one or zero blood ?
The latter.



This is also derived from RTR 11-JUL-01 :

Q: Can I play Cryptic Mission against a vampire with no blood? How about
Blood to Water against a vampire with only 2 blood?
A: Yes. Steal/burn blood/life effects target the minion, not the individual
blood counters. Similarly, burn pool effects target the Methuselah, not
the individual pool counters.


In general, things affecting counters target the thing they're on, and affect as many counters as exist up to the stated amount, and you're allowed to announce the effect even if there are less than the stated amount (unless card text specifies something else, I guess).
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23 Dec 2013 14:33 #58025 by ReverendRevolver
So, i technically have to announce im villeining a vamp with one or no beads as "villeining for 2", right? Ive been doing this. Then adding"but only get 1" or "but fail to gain anything".
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