"Personal Involvement"

This is a rather academical question on ...

Personal Involvement
3

Master.
If your prey has more pool than you (after paying the cost of this card), your prey burns 3 pool. Any Methuselah can cancel this card as it is played by burning 2 pool (the cost of this card is not paid in that case).

Let's say, we are in a 3 player game. I am on 3 pool, my prey is on 2 pool, my predator is on 1 pool.
I play "Personal Involvement" (and my prey decides not to cancel the card by paying 2 pool ^^) -- what happens?

Of course, I will be ousted, but will my prey be ousted, too?
If so, will I get a VP?

Thanks in advance!

Hakuron wrote:

Of course, I will be ousted, but will my prey be ousted, too?

Yes.

[LSJ 20090414]

LSJ wrote:

> Player A and B both have 3 pool. Player A plys Personal Involvement on
> B, what happens, are both ousted or does B survive as PI checks for
> pool difference after A is ousted and then the card has no effect? Or
> if it does, can he cancel the card as it is played to only take 2
> pool? Will A still be ousted then?

Both are ousted.

The general rule is that paying for a master card and resolving the card happens at the same time. The reason most people remember this (if they do) is because you can play Eternals of Sirius when on 4 pool to end up on 5 pool.

Hakuron wrote:

If so, will I get a VP?

That's handled by 9.1 of the rules , as normal.

9.1 wrote:

If a player is ousted at the same time that her prey is ousted, the player gets the victory point but does not gain 6 pool.

So yes, you would.

jamesatzephyr wrote:

The general rule is that paying for a master card and resolving the card happens at the same time. The reason most people remember this (if they do) is because you can play Eternals of Sirius when on 4 pool to end up on 5 pool.

Wasn't that originally done to allow Villein to be played and not self-oust (i.e. playing a 2nd Villein on a vampire when the player is at 1 pool) then back-tracked onto Eternals? I only remember the issue appearing after the printing of Villein.

Juggernaut1981 wrote:

Wasn't that originally done to allow Villein to be played and not self-oust (i.e. playing a 2nd Villein on a vampire when the player is at 1 pool) then back-tracked onto Eternals? I only remember the issue appearing after the printing of Villein.

No, the issue existed for far longer than Villein. Keepers of Tradition was released in November 2008, and is the set Villein was introduced in.

[LSJ 20080612]

LSJ wrote:

Petri Wessman wrote:
> Didn't find a clarification for this and I don't remember the ruling,
> so: can you play a master card that would cost all your pool without
> ousting yourself, if the master card effect gives you pool?
>
> For example, play Eternals of Sirius when at 4 pool, choosing the
> "Gain 5 pool if you have a ready Follower of Set" option.
Yes.

Which itself cites from six years earlier:
[LSJ 20020620]

LSJ wrote:

Joshua Duffin wrote:
>
> If a single master card (or, I suppose, other) "event" both
> costs you and gains you pool, will you be ousted if the cost
> would bring you to 0 pool?
Sure. For instance, you could play hypothetical card
Big Ascendance - Master - 35 pool - Gain 40 pool
if you had only 35 pool (and stay in the game).

> eg: You're at one pool. You play Minion Tap for 5 on a
> vampire you control, who has Secure Haven on him. So, it
> costs 1 additional pool (=1) to play the Minion Tap, but
> you'll gain pool in the same "event". Do you live? I'd
> think yes, by analogy to Ancient Influence, which makes
> everyone lose 5 pool as well as gain X pool, but I'm not
> sure.
Sure.