Target cards and Cancelling strikes

Franz wrote:

First, thanks for the quick reply. Your logic is solid, but I think I'll need PB's official rulling on that one.

[LSJ 20080214]

LSJ wrote:

> Minion A declares a hand strike and as the strike is declared announces
> Target Vitals.
>
> Minion B then Plays a SUP Jones.
>
> When Minion A chooses a new hand strike, does the Original Target Vitals
> apply to the new Hand strike?

No. The Jones is played as the strike card is played (before the Target Vitals
is played). Like using DI to cancel a Govern with Seduction.

Relevant card text from superior The Jones (to establish it has the same timing as Charismatic Aura):

Juggernaut1981 wrote:

RevRev,
The reason for not being able to Bone Spur between the Strike and the TV is not the text on Spur, but the text on TV. "Play when choosing a strike"

Right, thouvht i fo that right, that bone spur is "whenever" but tv happens after announcing strike .

ReverendRevolver wrote:

Juggernaut1981 wrote:

RevRev,
The reason for not being able to Bone Spur between the Strike and the TV is not the text on Spur, but the text on TV. "Play when choosing a strike"

Right, thouvht i fo that right, that bone spur is "whenever" but tv happens after announcing strike .

Bone Spur isn't quite "whenever".

[LSJ 20080831]

LSJ wrote:

Stone wrote:
> Vampire A is in combat with vampire B.
> A announces hand strike, then plays sup. Chiroptean Marauder to make his
> hand strike aggravated.
> Can A play Target Vitals at this time, i.e. after playing sup. CM ?
No. He could play CM, then announce his hand strike with Target Vitals, though.

And from later in the same thread:

LSJ wrote:

There are three effects listed:
AHS: announce hand strike.
CM: play Chiropteran Maurauder
TV: play Target: Vitals

The above says TV must be played with AHS or not at all.

So CM-AHS-TV is OK.
And AHS-TV-CM is OK.
But not AHS-CM-TV.

The difference is potentially important if, say, you play Undead Strength re-draw into a claw, play that claw, and then re-draw into your Target.



There is a trend in V:TES that - to the best of my recollection - has never been explicitly codified that "when X is announced" is a special timing phase in which "when X is announced" effects can go, but not arbitrary effects. The first post above earlier gets close when LSJ says:

LSJ wrote:

> By analogy with the "you can't play a Conditioning in the hope to fish for a
> Seduction" case, I'd say it's too late to play Target Vitals, since CM
> shouldn't be playable in the "Play when choosing a strike" timing window,
> but I'm not sure...
Correct.