Limit between Proxies and Customized cards

Rémi wrote:

Thanks Andrew.

Juggernaut1981 wrote:

1) Nobody should be able to identify the cards in your library, while they are face down in your library/crypt/uncontrolled.

Is not the reason of using opaque sleeves to avoid this kind of problems. Until a few years ago opaque sleeves were required. Has it changed?
Anyway, my only one concern is about to change the look of face-up cards.

Opaque sleeves prevent you from (easily) identifying the card visually. The problem being addressed is tactile identification.

Take a piece of paper and stick it to a card. Place the card face down. Run your fingers over the back of the card. If it alters the thickness, you will probably be able to tell what card it is. If if alters the thickness in particular places (e.g. you've stuck a piece of paper over only the picture of the vampire on the vampire card), it would be potentially possible to use this to mark your cards. Stick a sequin on the nose of the Sphinx on Dreams of the Sphinx and you would probably be able to easily identify it by touch, even when it's face down, in a sleeve. A wily player would be able to use this information when shuffling a deck or deciding whether to tap The Barrens or whatever else.

If you draw on the card with, say, felt-tip pens or pens like metallic ink, the potential for making the card identifiable by touch is significantly reduced. Not necessarily entirely eliminated, and a judge might still have to intervene in egregious situations, but generally you'd hope not.

Thanks a lot Vincent !!!
It is nice to read that you are still there

Thinking about promotion of VTES...
Many players of many games like altered cards, adding comment about that in the tournament rules could help people to think that VTES is a CCG like any other so they could have a look:)

jamesatzephyr wrote:

The problem being addressed is tactile identification.

Thanks James for your comment but I think we are not thinking of the same kind of altered cards. I took the example of Magic since its tournament rules and tournament organization requirement seem to be far more strict than Vtes'.

Best Regards,
Rémi.

I still hate printer proxies.

Can I use self-adhering labels on lets say a copy of Blooding to turn its title, text box, discipline Requirement area, art, artist credit, and (giggle) expansion symbol ito something less shitty but not printed, like show of force or inside dirt or #%#%#%#(edited due to NDA and principles....)?

In essence, if I can use blaxk and silver sharpies to turn the art box of monkey wrench into a square Ramones logo,would I be permitted to modify other things within these guidlines in creating the cards for official but unprinted sets?

Plainly, they are not printex per the rules, but if modified is allowed, how far is it allowed?

Hello,

ReverendRevolver wrote:

but if modified is allowed, how far is it allowed?

Isn't it Ankha's answer what you are looking for?

Ankha wrote:

Rémi wrote:

What are the parts of the cards that cannot be altered?

Text areas and symbol areas should not be altered in a way that makes the reading more difficult or that changes the text/symbols.

Rémi wrote:

Would it be possible to re-write the card text, the card title, the card discipline icons, the name of the original artist using diferent police for example

No.

Regards,
Rémi.

Ankha wrote:

Rémi wrote:

What are the parts of the cards that cannot be altered?

Text areas and symbol areas should not be altered in a way that makes the reading more difficult or that changes the text/symbols.

Rémi wrote:

Would it be possible to re-write the card text, the card title, the card discipline icons, the name of the original artist using diferent police for example

No.

What if text and/or symbol areas Was altered to change printing errors/errated text?

That would be OK, I suppose, but only if the judge approves these cards (agrees to check, and checks that the written cardtext is indeed the up-to-date cardtext). If the judge doesn't have time, then, no.
Which means it's safer to not write on cartext.