Blessing of Chaos vs. Stealth
27 Sep 2014 18:56 #65836
by Khalid1988
Blessing of Chaos vs. Stealth was created by Khalid1988
Hello, I have a question about following scenario:
Joseph Cambridge bleeds with Vermin Channel, which Uncle George tries to block. Uncle George has Blessing of Chaos, but does not get any intercept, thus failing the block.
Can Uncle George gain the benefits of Blessing of Chaos in the situation described above? My assumption is yes but I would like a confirmation. That way it would be possible to prevent the playing of Conditioning even if you would have no real intention to block the action.
Name: Joseph Cambridge
[Third:V]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Nosferatu antitribu
Group: 4
Capacity: 6
Discipline: ani dom obf POT
Sabbat bishop: Joseph gets an additional +1 stealth on political actions.
Artist: James Stowe
Name: Uncle George
[CE:V, Third:PM, BSC:X]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Malkavian antitribu
Group: 3
Capacity: 5
Discipline: aus dom obf DEM
Sabbat.
Artist: Ken Meyer, Jr.
Name: Blessing of Chaos
[Sabbat:R, CE:PM, Third:PM]
Cardtype: Action
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Dementation
+1 stealth action.
[dem] Put this card on the acting vampire. If this vampire attempts to block, the acting vampire cannot play action modifiers requiring Dementation [dem], Chimerstry [chi], Dominate [dom] or Presence
Joseph Cambridge bleeds with Vermin Channel, which Uncle George tries to block. Uncle George has Blessing of Chaos, but does not get any intercept, thus failing the block.
Can Uncle George gain the benefits of Blessing of Chaos in the situation described above? My assumption is yes but I would like a confirmation. That way it would be possible to prevent the playing of Conditioning even if you would have no real intention to block the action.
Name: Joseph Cambridge
[Third:V]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Nosferatu antitribu
Group: 4
Capacity: 6
Discipline: ani dom obf POT
Sabbat bishop: Joseph gets an additional +1 stealth on political actions.
Artist: James Stowe
Name: Uncle George
[CE:V, Third:PM, BSC:X]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Malkavian antitribu
Group: 3
Capacity: 5
Discipline: aus dom obf DEM
Sabbat.
Artist: Ken Meyer, Jr.
Name: Blessing of Chaos
[Sabbat:R, CE:PM, Third:PM]
Cardtype: Action
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Dementation
+1 stealth action.
[dem] Put this card on the acting vampire. If this vampire attempts to block, the acting vampire cannot play action modifiers requiring Dementation [dem], Chimerstry [chi], Dominate [dom] or Presence
. Vampires opposing this vampire in combat cannot play cards that require those Disciplines.
[DEM] As above, and actions requiring those Disciplines cannot be directed at this vampire.
Artist: Hannibal King
Name: Vermin Channel
[SoC:C]
Cardtype: Action
Clan: Nosferatu antitribu
Cost: 1 blood
+3 stealth action.
Bleed.
Artist: Thomas Manning
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27 Sep 2014 23:33 #65838
by Randy
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Replied by Randy on topic Re: Blessing of Chaos vs. Stealth
I would agree but as the acting minion Joseph Cambridge has the impulse to play prior to blockas are declared. Somthing I would do if I see a minion this blessing in play
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28 Sep 2014 05:45 #65841
by PetriWessman
Exactly. The acting minion cannot play Conditioning (or others) after Uncle George declares a block attempt (success does not matter), but he can play it before the block attempt, while he has the impulse.
As an aside, one of the more amusing aspects of Blessing is that it totally screws over decks relying on bloat via Voter Captivation. As long as a minion with Blessing just attempts to block the political action, the acting minion can't voter cap. Or play Awe, or...
Honestly, if I was building a Dementation deck which wasn't the normal bleed-cheese, I'd put multiple copies of Blessing in. It's a great card.
Replied by PetriWessman on topic Re: Blessing of Chaos vs. Stealth
I would agree but as the acting minion Joseph Cambridge has the impulse to play prior to blockas are declared. Somthing I would do if I see a minion this blessing in play
Exactly. The acting minion cannot play Conditioning (or others) after Uncle George declares a block attempt (success does not matter), but he can play it before the block attempt, while he has the impulse.
As an aside, one of the more amusing aspects of Blessing is that it totally screws over decks relying on bloat via Voter Captivation. As long as a minion with Blessing just attempts to block the political action, the acting minion can't voter cap. Or play Awe, or...
Honestly, if I was building a Dementation deck which wasn't the normal bleed-cheese, I'd put multiple copies of Blessing in. It's a great card.
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30 Sep 2014 08:17 #65891
by Pascal Bertrand
Replied by Pascal Bertrand on topic Re: Blessing of Chaos vs. Stealth
Correct answers.
Once blessed George declared a block attempt, there is no possibility to play Conditioning.
The precedent was with Valerius adv.
Once blessed George declared a block attempt, there is no possibility to play Conditioning.
The precedent was with Valerius adv.
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30 Sep 2014 09:34 - 30 Sep 2014 09:35 #65895
by extrala
Replied by extrala on topic Re: Blessing of Chaos vs. Stealth
On a related issue: Can I play superior Perfect Paragon before George can attempt to block? Or asked the way around: Can I play cards to reduce intercept before any intercept attempt has been made? The rules state that you cannot add stealth when none is needed, but what about reduction of intercept?
Name: Perfect Paragon
[KoT:U]
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Presence
Only usable during a referendum. This vampire gains 3 votes.
Allies and younger vampires get -1 intercept when attempting to block this action.
Last edit: 30 Sep 2014 09:35 by extrala.
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30 Sep 2014 09:42 #65896
by Timo
Yes we can ! (c)
Replied by Timo on topic Re: Blessing of Chaos vs. Stealth
On a related issue: Can I play superior Perfect Paragon before George can attempt to block? Or asked the way around: Can I play cards to reduce intercept before any intercept attempt has been made? The rules state that you cannot add stealth when none is needed, but what about reduction of intercept?
Name: Perfect Paragon
[KoT:U]
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Cost: 1 blood
Discipline: Presence
Only usable during a referendum. This vampire gains 3 votes.
Allies and younger vampires get -1 intercept when attempting to block this action.
Yes we can ! (c)
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