Houngan on Lisandro

Why yes, this is a weapons-grade Jozxyqk question, and yes, I am a bad person.

I have Lisandro Giovanni in play. I use his special to count him as a Samedi, and play Houngan onto him, which I believe is possible because he's a Samedi for the duration of playing this card.

The following turn, I am under the impression he cannot gain 1 Blood, because he's no longer a Samedi, but back to being a Giovanni, but may he tap for 'an additional blood' on top of the zero he receives for being a Samedi.

Rationale: The clause 'and he may' is not phrased 'And this Samedi may' like the other two effects of the card.

Houngan -- Type: Master -- Clan: Samedi -- Cost: 1 pool
Unique master.
Put this card on a ready Samedi you control. During your untap phase, this Samedi gains 1 blood from the bank, and he or she may tap to gain an additional blood. Any other Samedi may move this card to himself or herself as a +1 stealth action.

BUT :

How would Lisandro gain an "additional" blood if he didn't gain a first blood ?

No he cannot gain any blood with Houngan, unless he clan impersonates to Samedi.

Shockwave wrote:

Why yes, this is a weapons-grade Jozxyqk question, and yes, I am a bad person.

I have Lisandro Giovanni in play. I use his special to count him as a Samedi, and play Houngan onto him, which I believe is possible because he's a Samedi for the duration of playing this card.

The following turn, I am under the impression he cannot gain 1 Blood, because he's no longer a Samedi, but back to being a Giovanni, but may he tap for 'an additional blood' on top of the zero he receives for being a Samedi.

Rationale: The clause 'and he may' is not phrased 'And this Samedi may' like the other two effects of the card.

Houngan -- Type: Master -- Clan: Samedi -- Cost: 1 pool
Unique master.
Put this card on a ready Samedi you control. During your untap phase, this Samedi gains 1 blood from the bank, and he or she may tap to gain an additional blood. Any other Samedi may move this card to himself or herself as a +1 stealth action.

That's grammar.
"he" refers to "this Samedi", not to "this vampire" (not written on the card).
Therefore, Lisandro indeed cannot gain blood at all with Houngan (unless he's Samedi)

I will use this thread since is related to my question.

Can a methuselah use Coroner`s Contact to search for Lisandro in crypt?

I guess no but I need check it.


Coroner`s Contact, Master, 1 pool
Master. Search your crypt to find a Samedi. Show it to all players and place it in your uncontrolled region with 1 blood from the bank.

Sydnelson wrote:

I will use this thread since is related to my question.

Can a methuselah use Coroner`s Contact to search for Lisandro in crypt?

I guess no but I need check it.


Coroner`s Contact, Master, 1 pool
Master. Search your crypt to find a Samedi. Show it to all players and place it in your uncontrolled region with 1 blood from the bank.

First, Coroner's Contract doesn't require Samedi so it won't see Lisandro as Samedi at any point. Second, Lisandro needs to be in play to have his special to work. Uncontrolled vampires can't use their special text, so uncontrolled Lisandro is just 9 cap Giovanni.