Jabba Jabba Jabba

Just a quick verification do/does quick jab, immortal grapple and blood rage all work nice and copacetically. I just saw the card text for the QJ has been errated... the make a hand strike has been taken out.

QJ
Do not replace until after combat.
Strike: hand strike (at strength damage) with first strike. If more than 1 damage is inflicted with this strike, ignore the excess.
IG
Strikes that are not hand strikes may not be used this round (by either combatant). A vampire may play only one Immortal Grapple each round.
[POT] As above, with an optional press. If another round of combat occurs, that round is at close range; skip the determine range step for that round.
BR
Only usable at close range.
[tha] Strike: hand strike. This damage cannot be prevented by cards that require Fortitude [for] . If the opposing vampire attempts to strike with a weapon this round, he or she does no damage.
[THA] As above, but for strength+1 damage.

thank you kindle

Quick jab is a strike, so no blood rage

brandonsantacruz wrote:

Quick jab is a strike, so no blood rage

doesn't any strike that does strength + damage also count as a hand strike? So if QJ does S damage, and no more than one, it's still a hand strike. I'm on my phone, so it's cumbersome to verify in the rulebook for me right now.

self wrote:

brandonsantacruz wrote:

Quick jab is a strike, so no blood rage

doesn't any strike that does strength + damage also count as a hand strike?

Almost, but not quite. The definition of a hand strike is:
The non-ranged is important for (for example) Earthshock. The "minion's non-ranged damage-dealing innate strike" part is, I think, now redundant, as it was basically there for allies who didn't know about strength, having been printed before it was invented. I think pretty much everything there has been errata-ed or MRP-ed into the current template.

In the case of Quick Jab, there is no difference between "Strike: make a hand strike at strength damage...", though - it's the same with or without.


LSJ went back and forth on the templating. At one point, he used "Strike: strength damage" to indicate a hand strike. In other sets, he used "Strike: make a hand strike at strength damage..." I vaguely remember him saying that he thought the first version was clear enough, but that he got feedback from players which caused him to use the latter as being slightly clearer.

thanks, I knew there were a few exceptions to the rule.