Couple questions about Prisci

Here are couple situations that have come up recently in games and wasn't sure how they would go.

1) Gratiano has Condemnation: Mute, how many votes does he have in the prisci sub refendum. a) 2 because Mute doesn't affect prisci sub referendum, b) 1 because Mute does affect it and removes the vote from his title but he still gets the 1 from his special, or c) 0 as with his special he has 2 votes in the sub referendum and Mute give him -3 votes always which negates those.

2) Do prisci burn/gain blood for voting in the prisci sub-referendum in a referendum affected by superior Madrigal?

Gratiano [Sabbat:V, SW:U/PL]
Cardtype: Vampire
Clan: Lasombra
Group: 2
Capacity: 8
Discipline: obf pot DOM OBT
Sabbat priscus: Gratiano gets one additional vote during the prisci sub-referendum. +1 bleed.
Artist: Doug Alexander

Condemnation: Mute [KMW:R]
Cardtype: Action
Discipline: Daimoinon/Chimerstry
+1 stealth action. Condemnation.
[chi] Tap a younger vampire.
[dai] Requires an infernal vampire. Put this card on a ready vampire. The vampire with this card has -3 votes. Burn all other Condemnations on this minion.
[DAI] As above, and this vampire burns 1 blood each time a referendum passes.
Artist: Nigel Sade

Madrigal [BL:C2, LoB:C]
Cardtype: Action Modifier/Reaction
Discipline: Melpominee/Presence
Only usable during a referendum before votes are cast.

 [REACTION] Only usable by a reacting vampire. Gain 2 votes.

[mel] [ACTION MODIFIER][REACTION] Gain 2 votes.

[MEL] [ACTION MODIFIER][REACTION] As [mel] above, and any vampire voting in agreement with this vampire gains 1 blood from the blood bank. Any vampire voting in opposition to this vampire burns 1 blood. Blood is gained or lost when the results are tallied.

Artist: 	Dennis Calero

1) Gratiano has 0 votes in the sub-referendum would be my ruling.

2) I was under the impression that the Prisci can gain from this, but if you control a priscus and the prisci vote is in favour you personally don't gain from bribes unless you have other votes in favour.

Condemnation isn't really a modifier since it permanent effect and just says flat -3 votes without any specifications to when or to what.

Klaital wrote:

Here are couple situations that have come up recently in games and wasn't sure how they would go.

1) Gratiano has Condemnation: Mute, how many votes does he have in the prisci sub refendum. a) 2 because Mute doesn't affect prisci sub referendum, b) 1 because Mute does affect it and removes the vote from his title but he still gets the 1 from his special, or c) 0 as with his special he has 2 votes in the sub referendum and Mute give him -3 votes always which negates those.

Condemnation: Mute doesn't affect Priscii sub-referendum. Gratiano would still express 1+1 ballots in there as long as he is a Priscus [LSJ 20070612] . If he becomes Archbishop, he gets -3 votes in the normal referendum - but would still get to use that Priscii subreferendum additional ballot.

2) Do prisci burn/gain blood for voting in the prisci sub-referendum in a referendum affected by superior Madrigal?

Yes, but only if they voted against/in favor in the subreferendum [LSJ 20020122] . If Korah votes in favor and Gratiano votes against, Korah gains 1 blood and Gratioano burns 1 blood when votes are tallied.

Pascal wrote:

If he becomes Archbishop, he gets -3 votes in the normal referendum - but would still get to use that Priscii subreferendum additional vote.

Wow! Gratiano keeps his extra Priscus vote even when he gains another title. Never thought of that...