Mata Hari and kholo cards
08 Nov 2015 08:23 #74138
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: Mata Hari and kholo cards
Kholo: "Put this card on this Laibon Akunanse to represent the unique Laibon title of Akunanse Kholo (worth 2 votes)."
Mata Hari plays it as a Laibon Akunanse and is considered a Laibon Akunanse for the resolution of the card, which is gaining this card that represents a new title. She loses her own title at that moment. After resolution, she's now longer a Laibon Akunanse, so the title becomes inert (unless it moves to another Akunanse of course).
Gaining the card is the same as gaining the title (that's why there's a "title" keyword).
Mata Hari plays it as a Laibon Akunanse and is considered a Laibon Akunanse for the resolution of the card, which is gaining this card that represents a new title. She loses her own title at that moment. After resolution, she's now longer a Laibon Akunanse, so the title becomes inert (unless it moves to another Akunanse of course).
Gaining the card is the same as gaining the title (that's why there's a "title" keyword).
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09 Nov 2015 06:12 - 09 Nov 2015 06:13 #74149
by Ankha
The card is the title: if the title is contested, the card is out of play too. If the card is burned, the title is lost. If the card moves (that is the case with the Kholo), the title moves too.
Gaining the Kholo card is the same as gaining the title.
I don't know what "we know", but the card is a placeholder for the title. It has also additional effects, so what?
See also Regent in the Card Rulings section of this website.
Replied by Ankha on topic Re: Mata Hari and kholo cards
No, he or she doesn't.
If gaining the tile is part of resolution, then if a praxis burns for some reason, the vampire keeps his title?Mata Hari plays it as a Laibon Akunanse and is considered a Laibon Akunanse for the resolution of the card, which is gaining this card that represents a new title. She loses her own title at that moment. After resolution, she's now longer a Laibon Akunanse, so the title becomes inert (unless it moves to another Akunanse of course).
Title: A Title card is a placeholder for a title. If the title is yielded or lost, the card is burned. If the title is unique, contests are paid with vampire blood, as normal for titles.
The card is the title: if the title is contested, the card is out of play too. If the card is burned, the title is lost. If the card moves (that is the case with the Kholo), the title moves too.
The question is too vague.Do we agree that all effects on cards are either resolution effects or card-in-play effects (I hope I am not missing any stuff that triggers in the hand or ash heap?)
Gaining the Kholo card is the same as gaining the title.
Source: the aforementioned rulebook section.
Source? The burden of proof is on you, because we already know that having the card is not the same as having the title: titles can go inert, and Kholo cards have more effects than granting a title, so the cards do not go "inert" when the title does.Gaining the card is the same as gaining the title (that's why there's a "title" keyword).
I don't know what "we know", but the card is a placeholder for the title. It has also additional effects, so what?
See also Regent in the Card Rulings section of this website.
Regent:
Regent is a title card, so it is out of play if the title is contested (and the built-in rush is not usable when the card is not in play). [LSJ 20070808]
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