Ambrosius, Robert Carter and free bleeds for 3
09 Jan 2016 01:27 #74893
by Blooded Sand
Ambrosius, Robert Carter and free bleeds for 3 was created by Blooded Sand
Ambrosius, The Ferryman (Wraith), Ally, 3 Pool:
Unique wraith with 2 life. 1 strength, 0 bleed.
Ambrosius is immune to damage that is not aggravated. He can move a retainer from your ash heap to a ready vampire you control as an action. Put 3 Pathos counters on the retainer. Remove a Pathos counter from the retainer at the beginning of each of your minion phases. When there are no Pathos counters remaining, remove the retainer from the game.
Robert Carter
Unique ghoul with 1 life.
During your untap phase, Carter's employer burns 1 blood, or Carter is burned. The vampire with this retainer gets +2 bleed.
Smudge gets Robert carter, does not pay the blood during my untap, Robert burns.
Ambrosius moves Robert to smudge, with 3 pathos counters. Smudge bleeds. During my untap smudge does not pay the blood, and Robert, now with 2 pathos counters left, moves to my ash heap.
As far as I can tell, the pathos counters are erased, allowing ambrosius to fetch me a fine new free Carter, correct?
Unique wraith with 2 life. 1 strength, 0 bleed.
Ambrosius is immune to damage that is not aggravated. He can move a retainer from your ash heap to a ready vampire you control as an action. Put 3 Pathos counters on the retainer. Remove a Pathos counter from the retainer at the beginning of each of your minion phases. When there are no Pathos counters remaining, remove the retainer from the game.
Robert Carter
Unique ghoul with 1 life.
During your untap phase, Carter's employer burns 1 blood, or Carter is burned. The vampire with this retainer gets +2 bleed.
Smudge gets Robert carter, does not pay the blood during my untap, Robert burns.
Ambrosius moves Robert to smudge, with 3 pathos counters. Smudge bleeds. During my untap smudge does not pay the blood, and Robert, now with 2 pathos counters left, moves to my ash heap.
As far as I can tell, the pathos counters are erased, allowing ambrosius to fetch me a fine new free Carter, correct?








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09 Jan 2016 05:05 #74894
by Boris The Blade
Replied by Boris The Blade on topic Ambrosius, Robert Carter and free bleeds for 3
If this is all that Ambrosius is doing, then it is not worth it: he costs 3 pool, even 2 laptops are cheaper than that. It could be an ousting method for a Giovanni Talbot Chainsaw deck.
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09 Jan 2016 12:04 #74898
by Blooded Sand
Replied by Blooded Sand on topic Ambrosius, Robert Carter and free bleeds for 3
Thank you for the completely useless ruling answer. Does anyone have an answer that actually addresses the question?
To address your answer, if he does it once, it is not worth it. However, let's for a moment assume it is not Smudge, but, say, Shalmath in Malkmath deck. That carter is worth a maximum 10 extra bleed. Then you burn him in your turn, for 0, and put him back on, for 0. Pretty much free bleed for 10, or in any other deck where you keep for him1-2 rounds before burning him before resurrecting him.
To address your answer, if he does it once, it is not worth it. However, let's for a moment assume it is not Smudge, but, say, Shalmath in Malkmath deck. That carter is worth a maximum 10 extra bleed. Then you burn him in your turn, for 0, and put him back on, for 0. Pretty much free bleed for 10, or in any other deck where you keep for him1-2 rounds before burning him before resurrecting him.








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09 Jan 2016 12:39 #74899
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Ambrosius, Robert Carter and free bleeds for 3
Correct, counters on cards go back to the bank when the card goes to the ash heap.As far as I can tell, the pathos counters are erased, allowing ambrosius to fetch me a fine new free Carter, correct?
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09 Jan 2016 17:37 #74901
by Boris The Blade
Replied by Boris The Blade on topic Ambrosius, Robert Carter and free bleeds for 3
Sorry: with the forum now opening on the recent post list, I didn't notice in which section this was posted.Thank you for the completely useless ruling answer.
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09 Jan 2016 19:39 #74905
by Lönkka
Replied by Lönkka on topic Ambrosius, Robert Carter and free bleeds for 3
Why employ Robert in the first place and waste Smudge's action?
Why not just discard all copies of Robert Carter you happen to draw and move them, one by one, to a minion and bleed immediately the same turn. If you have another copy or Carter in your hand, by all means employ it to cycle a bit.
Why not just discard all copies of Robert Carter you happen to draw and move them, one by one, to a minion and bleed immediately the same turn. If you have another copy or Carter in your hand, by all means employ it to cycle a bit.
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