file Force of Will Fizzle = No Agg?

01 Jun 2016 01:13 #77055 by brandonsantacruz
If Force of Will Fizzles (i.e. unblocked, cannot pay cost) does that mean you don't take the agg damage? I think so based on the wording:

Force of Will
[Action] Action
[Fortitude] Fortitude
[1 Blood]
Only usable by a tapped vampire.
[for] (D) Bleed with +1 bleed. After resolution, this vampire takes 2 unpreventable aggravated damage even if the action is blocked.
[FOR] As above, but with +2 bleed, and the acting vampire takes only 1 unpreventable aggravated damage.

And also these rulings:
If a minion cannot pay the entire cost of an action when the action resolves, what cost can be paid is paid, and the action continues with no effect ("fizzles"). It is considered successful.ÂÂ [RTR 20011007]

If the Force of Will action is canceled (by Psychomachia, for example) before the aggravated damage is done, then the damage is not done (it is lost). If it is merely ended (by Change of Target), the the damage occurs as normal. [RTR 20020501] [LSJ 20020927] (does not apply)

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01 Jun 2016 01:17 #77056 by Dorrinal
The clause "After resolution" implies that the effect happens whether it resolves successfully or not. The first ruling you cite says "when the action resolves... [it] continues with no effect ("fizzles")." - implying that the action has resolved. Therefore I would rule that the aggravated damage occurs regardless.

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01 Jun 2016 18:09 #77061 by jamesatzephyr

The clause "After resolution" implies that the effect happens whether it resolves successfully or not.


Correct. It needs to resolve (because the damage takes place "after resolution"), but that resolution need not be successful - including, for example, blocked resolution or action ends. Fizzling is part of resolving an unblocked action.

[LSJ 20021115]

> 1) Will a vamp with 1 blood that plays Force of Will and then pays 1
> blood to play Earth Control go to torpor, even if the Force of Will
> fizzle due to lack of blood?
Yes. Card text indicates that the damage is not part of the successful
resolution of the action.

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