Question on the correct way to play the tangle atropos hand
12 Jan 2017 21:08 - 12 Jan 2017 21:08 #80155
by 1muflon1
Hi guys, I would like to ask a clarifying question about Tangle Atropos' Hand card.
The card says that "cancel the action and untap the acting minion..." and so on...
Now does this mean that the minion can try to perform the same action on the same turn?
I know that there is a rule against performing/attempting the same action twice (for example like with freak drive). However, this card cancels the action. Also, the direct intervention out-of-turn master which also can cancel action cards has the following ruling:
"Ruling: Since the NRA rule is applied to the acting minion when the action resolves (is blocked or is successful), the minion whose action card is cancelled by Direct Intervention is free to attempt the same type of action again, even with (another copy of) the same card. [LSJ 19980212]."
So I personally think that it should be able to perform the same action again, but one friend from my local group disagrees.
It would be nice if someone could clear things up. Many thanks in advance!
The card says that "cancel the action and untap the acting minion..." and so on...
Now does this mean that the minion can try to perform the same action on the same turn?
I know that there is a rule against performing/attempting the same action twice (for example like with freak drive). However, this card cancels the action. Also, the direct intervention out-of-turn master which also can cancel action cards has the following ruling:
"Ruling: Since the NRA rule is applied to the acting minion when the action resolves (is blocked or is successful), the minion whose action card is cancelled by Direct Intervention is free to attempt the same type of action again, even with (another copy of) the same card. [LSJ 19980212]."
So I personally think that it should be able to perform the same action again, but one friend from my local group disagrees.
It would be nice if someone could clear things up. Many thanks in advance!
Last edit: 12 Jan 2017 21:08 by 1muflon1.
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12 Jan 2017 21:43 #80156
by Hakuron
National Coordinator Germany
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Replied by Hakuron on topic Question on the correct way to play the tangle atropos hand
The NRA rule is not triggered.
You are free to perform the same action again. Yes, Tangle is that good.
You are free to perform the same action again. Yes, Tangle is that good.
National Coordinator Germany
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12 Jan 2017 21:46 #80158
by Squidalot
Replied by Squidalot on topic Question on the correct way to play the tangle atropos hand
Yes, you're correct and your reference to that NRA ruling is correct it applies to Direct Intervention and Tangle in the same way for Actions. .
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13 Jan 2017 07:25 #80163
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Question on the correct way to play the tangle atropos hand
Hakuron and Squidalot are correct. The important thing is that the action didn't reach resolution (blocked or successful).
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26 Jan 2017 21:15 #80403
by Lead
Replied by Lead on topic Question on the correct way to play the tangle atropos hand
So if Mylan (or that AUS card or Abdelsobek or so on) untags someone who has played Kiss of Ra, can they play a 2nd copy of an action card or bleed or vote again? Meaning, does that scenario follow the DI / Tangle pattern?
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28 Jan 2017 18:35 #80417
by Blooded Sand
No. Think your way through the sequence. Mylan untaps a tapped vampire. He does not have any text, anywhere, mentioning that the action was cancelled (not taken.) Any vampire he untaps may only take actions that do not have NRA taint.
Replied by Blooded Sand on topic Question on the correct way to play the tangle atropos hand
So if Mylan (or that AUS card or Abdelsobek or so on) untags someone who has played Kiss of Ra, can they play a 2nd copy of an action card or bleed or vote again? Meaning, does that scenario follow the DI / Tangle pattern?
No. Think your way through the sequence. Mylan untaps a tapped vampire. He does not have any text, anywhere, mentioning that the action was cancelled (not taken.) Any vampire he untaps may only take actions that do not have NRA taint.
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