Shadow Court Satyr and Heaven's Gate
18 Jun 2018 18:47 #88261
by Ratadin
Shadow Court Satyr and Heaven's Gate was created by Ratadin
I have a question about "once each combat" abilities and triggering them while the minion is not in combat: is it possible? Can I use Heaven's Gate with a Shadow Court Satyr while another ally (like a Courier) is in combat?
According to RAW card text, "once each combat" means once every single combat on the game,no matter the minions nor the controller, although I could understand that the RAI were to be different.
Cards:
Heaven's Gate
Only usable by an unlocked vampire not involved in the current combat.
[nec] Prevent 1 damage to an ally in combat.
[obe] Only usable when an ally would be burned in combat. Move that ally to his or her controller's uncontrolled region (controlled, but not ready) instead with 1 life if he or she has no life.
[OBE] As [obe] above, but add up to 2 life to the ally, not to exceed his or her starting life.
Shadow Court Satyr (Changeling)
Changeling with 3 life. 1 strength, 1 bleed. When the Satyr enters play, you may put a combat card from your hand on him. Once each combat, the Satyr may use the ability of that card as if played from your hand. If the card requires a vampire (e.g., costs blood or requires a Discipline), he may use it as a vampire with the basic level of the Discipline (if any).
According to RAW card text, "once each combat" means once every single combat on the game,no matter the minions nor the controller, although I could understand that the RAI were to be different.
Cards:
Heaven's Gate
Only usable by an unlocked vampire not involved in the current combat.
[nec] Prevent 1 damage to an ally in combat.
[obe] Only usable when an ally would be burned in combat. Move that ally to his or her controller's uncontrolled region (controlled, but not ready) instead with 1 life if he or she has no life.
[OBE] As [obe] above, but add up to 2 life to the ally, not to exceed his or her starting life.
Shadow Court Satyr (Changeling)
Changeling with 3 life. 1 strength, 1 bleed. When the Satyr enters play, you may put a combat card from your hand on him. Once each combat, the Satyr may use the ability of that card as if played from your hand. If the card requires a vampire (e.g., costs blood or requires a Discipline), he may use it as a vampire with the basic level of the Discipline (if any).
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18 Jun 2018 21:24 #88270
by Whisker
Replied by Whisker on topic Shadow Court Satyr and Heaven's Gate
I can't see why this would not work, but I let Ankha and others with better understanding of rules minitia to pipe in on this one. Lovely combo by the way, if this works I need to build something with this.
Follow up question, how does the [obe] version of heaven's gate interact with Shambling hordes? Is moving to ready region with one life considered gaining life?
Shambling Hordes
[Ally] Ally
[Necromancy] Necromancy
[3 Blood]
Zombie with 3 life. 0 strength, 0 bleed.
[nec] When Shambling Hordes enters play, remove an ally or vampire in your ash heap from the game or burn the Hordes. The Hordes gets +1 strength for each life counter it has. It can never gain life; any life it gains goes to the blood bank instead. The Hordes can enter combat with any minion as a
action.
[NEC] As above, with 4 life.
Follow up question, how does the [obe] version of heaven's gate interact with Shambling hordes? Is moving to ready region with one life considered gaining life?
Shambling Hordes
[Ally] Ally
[Necromancy] Necromancy
[3 Blood]
Zombie with 3 life. 0 strength, 0 bleed.
[nec] When Shambling Hordes enters play, remove an ally or vampire in your ash heap from the game or burn the Hordes. The Hordes gets +1 strength for each life counter it has. It can never gain life; any life it gains goes to the blood bank instead. The Hordes can enter combat with any minion as a

[NEC] As above, with 4 life.
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18 Jun 2018 22:46 #88272
by hollowboy
CtS: "move [...] with X life"
HG: "move [...] with 1 life"
Move-With-Life (which sounds like a good name for a yoga retreat) seems to be a different mechanic to Gain-Life
Replied by hollowboy on topic Shadow Court Satyr and Heaven's Gate
Agreed!Lovely combo by the way
I'm not a rules god, but I note that Superior Compel the Spirit, which does work with Hordes, has similar wording.Follow up question, how does the [obe] version of heaven's gate interact with Shambling hordes? Is moving to ready region with one life considered gaining life?
CtS: "move [...] with X life"
HG: "move [...] with 1 life"
Move-With-Life (which sounds like a good name for a yoga retreat) seems to be a different mechanic to Gain-Life
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19 Jun 2018 22:06 #88303
by ReverendRevolver
Replied by ReverendRevolver on topic Shadow Court Satyr and Heaven's Gate
Believe "add/gain/steal" count as gain, HG should be ok.
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20 Jun 2018 10:59 #88310
by Temporis
Replied by Temporis on topic Shadow Court Satyr and Heaven's Gate
Frustratingly LSJ ruled against this combination a long time ago, although I never quite understood logic of the ruling. Apologies I can't find the link or ruling at the moment, it would have been a very nice combo.
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20 Jun 2018 11:14 #88312
by Temporis
Replied by Temporis on topic Shadow Court Satyr and Heaven's Gate
You can find the old discussion of this question here:
groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/EksUAQcZeS8
It seemed to pivot around the point that the combat card effect has to used in a combat that the Satyr is involved in (although, by effect, the Heaven's Gate involves the Satyr in the combat, so I wasn't convinced ... but it was a ruling).
groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/EksUAQcZeS8
It seemed to pivot around the point that the combat card effect has to used in a combat that the Satyr is involved in (although, by effect, the Heaven's Gate involves the Satyr in the combat, so I wasn't convinced ... but it was a ruling).
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