Shambling Hordes + Pressing Flesh

If in the first time the Hordes come to play with 4 lifes = NEC, when you bring him back with Pressing Flesh he comes with the same lifecounters, 4? cause his starting life was 4, right?
ps: forget about THA by Pressing Flesh.

nergalmcl wrote:

If in the first time the Hordes come to play with 4 lifes = NEC, when you bring him back with Pressing Flesh he comes with the same lifecounters, 4? cause his starting life was 4, right?
ps: forget about THA by Pressing Flesh.

For such purposes, the inferior version is always used, no?

Snodig wrote:

nergalmcl wrote:

If in the first time the Hordes come to play with 4 lifes = NEC, when you bring him back with Pressing Flesh he comes with the same lifecounters, 4? cause his starting life was 4, right?
ps: forget about THA by Pressing Flesh.

For such purposes, the inferior version is always used, no?

Mhhmmmm..... good question.

In the General Rulings on this site (www.vekn.net/general-rulings), there is one for retainers:

Retainers:

If a retainer which requires a Discipline to be employed is brought into play by a means other than "Employ Retainer", treat it as if it were brought into play with the basic version of the Discipline. [RTR 19960221]

But there is nothing under the heading "Allies"....

nice, so this will also work with war ghouls?

War Ghoul
[Ally] Ally

[Tzimisce] Tzimisce

[3 Pool]

Ghoul with 5 life. 4 strength, 0 bleed.
When War Ghoul enters play, burn an ally or retainer you control. She can enter combat with any ready vampire controlled by another Methuselah as a action. She may prevent 1 damage each round. Tap and burn War Ghoul to burn any location; you cannot use this ability during combat.

ed1234 wrote:

nice, so this will also work with war ghouls?

War Ghoul
[Ally] Ally

[Tzimisce] Tzimisce

[3 Pool]

Ghoul with 5 life. 4 strength, 0 bleed.
When War Ghoul enters play, burn an ally or retainer you control. She can enter combat with any ready vampire controlled by another Methuselah as a action. She may prevent 1 damage each round. Tap and burn War Ghoul to burn any location; you cannot use this ability during combat.

Weird. The Ghoul doesn't explicitly say that you can't attempt the action or that there would be any consequence if there is no ally or retainer for the Ghoul to consume. Whatever happens if you attempt the action with no allies or retainers?

Of course we all know how it's supposed to work, but just wondering... I never caught that about the current wording.

If you have no other allies and no retainers in play when War Ghoul is recruited, then you burn War Ghoul to satisfy card text. [RTR 19961113]