Forcing Methuselah to play cards you cannot play
18 Dec 2025 19:49 #116017
by beslin igor
Replied by beslin igor on topic Forcing Methuselah to play cards you cannot play
players in table: A B C
player B have 3 vampires (e f g-only g is locked)
player A play enter combat with locked minion and chose e (unlocked vampire),then we see how is target not legal.
what now,roll back,or player A must chose locked target-g vampire?
player B have 3 vampires (e f g-only g is locked)
player A play enter combat with locked minion and chose e (unlocked vampire),then we see how is target not legal.
what now,roll back,or player A must chose locked target-g vampire?
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19 Dec 2025 12:14 #116022
by DavidR
David Resende - Prince of Teresina




Replied by DavidR on topic Forcing Methuselah to play cards you cannot play
in a tournament i will sugest to choose a valid target, in a casual play or if he don,t have valid targets ( vamp g in the exemple) he take back his card, put back the replacement card he have draw and shuffle library
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20 Dec 2025 22:34 #116032
by beslin igor
yea,i think same,but one very respectable judge,in online event,give this player roll back,cancel draw, shufle,and this player can take any other action. i want to hear other opinions here.
and beter we talk only on tournaments rules,not frendly game.
Replied by beslin igor on topic Forcing Methuselah to play cards you cannot play
in a tournament i will sugest to choose a valid target,
yea,i think same,but one very respectable judge,in online event,give this player roll back,cancel draw, shufle,and this player can take any other action. i want to hear other opinions here.
and beter we talk only on tournaments rules,not frendly game.
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27 Dec 2025 16:53 - 27 Dec 2025 16:54 #116071
by Rémi
I am Rémi Cavaillé (), Barcelona (Spain). I was the Prince of Lyon (France) around 2003. I am now Official Judge and the 5th Prince of Barcelona.
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Replied by Rémi on topic Forcing Methuselah to play cards you cannot play
Dear Igor,
Personnaly, I prefer to avoid as many Roll-Backs as possible.
If any combats have already started (by block resolution o normal resolution). I would end it right away and see if the non-active player had play any cards that should get back to his hand in order not to disadvantage them. I would then discard at random the number of relevant cards, those cards would be suffled in their Library then put back in his hand any card. Blood cost and damage received would be cancelled on both minions.
I would unlock the acting minion too.
Then the game should continue.
If the action resolution had not yet started, I would ask the acting player to choose any legal target and continue the action.
Cheers.
Rémi.
Personnaly, I prefer to avoid as many Roll-Backs as possible.
If any combats have already started (by block resolution o normal resolution). I would end it right away and see if the non-active player had play any cards that should get back to his hand in order not to disadvantage them. I would then discard at random the number of relevant cards, those cards would be suffled in their Library then put back in his hand any card. Blood cost and damage received would be cancelled on both minions.
I would unlock the acting minion too.
Then the game should continue.
If the action resolution had not yet started, I would ask the acting player to choose any legal target and continue the action.
Cheers.
Rémi.
I am Rémi Cavaillé (), Barcelona (Spain). I was the Prince of Lyon (France) around 2003. I am now Official Judge and the 5th Prince of Barcelona.
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Last edit: 27 Dec 2025 16:54 by Rémi.
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27 Dec 2025 18:01 #116074
by alf
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Replied by alf on topic Forcing Methuselah to play cards you cannot play
I think roll back is the only correct solution to a wrongly declared card.
Imagine B has 3 unlocked vampires and C has a locked vampire,
A illegally declares enter combat with an unlocked vampire from B.
Would he now be forced to enter comabt with (one of) a locked vampire of C?
Imagine B has 3 unlocked vampires and C has a locked vampire,
A illegally declares enter combat with an unlocked vampire from B.
Would he now be forced to enter comabt with (one of) a locked vampire of C?
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27 Dec 2025 18:20 #116075
by Rémi
I am Rémi Cavaillé (), Barcelona (Spain). I was the Prince of Lyon (France) around 2003. I am now Official Judge and the 5th Prince of Barcelona.
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Replied by Rémi on topic Forcing Methuselah to play cards you cannot play
Hello,
The action has been annouced. I would prefer to adjust legal targets than to give the acting player the too great opportunity to redo all their action.
Regards,
Rémi.
The action has been annouced. I would prefer to adjust legal targets than to give the acting player the too great opportunity to redo all their action.
Regards,
Rémi.
I am Rémi Cavaillé (), Barcelona (Spain). I was the Prince of Lyon (France) around 2003. I am now Official Judge and the 5th Prince of Barcelona.
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