file Forcing Methuselah to play cards you cannot play

18 Dec 2025 19:49 #116017 by beslin igor
players in table: A B C
player B have 3 vampires (e f g-only g is locked)
player A play enter combat with locked minion and chose e (unlocked vampire),then we see how is target not legal.
what now,roll back,or player A must chose locked target-g vampire?

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19 Dec 2025 12:14 #116022 by DavidR
in a tournament i will sugest to choose a valid target, in a casual play or if he don,t have valid targets ( vamp g in the exemple) he take back his card, put back the replacement card he have draw and shuffle library

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20 Dec 2025 22:34 #116032 by beslin igor

in a tournament i will sugest to choose a valid target,


yea,i think same,but one very respectable judge,in online event,give this player roll back,cancel draw, shufle,and this player can take any other action. i want to hear other opinions here.
and beter we talk only on tournaments rules,not frendly game.

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27 Dec 2025 16:53 - 27 Dec 2025 16:54 #116071 by Rémi
Dear Igor,

Personnaly, I prefer to avoid as many Roll-Backs as possible.

If any combats have already started (by block resolution o normal resolution). I would end it right away and see if the non-active player had play any cards that should get back to his hand in order not to disadvantage them. I would then discard at random the number of relevant cards, those cards would be suffled in their Library then put back in his hand any card. Blood cost and damage received would be cancelled on both minions.
I would unlock the acting minion too.
Then the game should continue.

If the action resolution had not yet started, I would ask the acting player to choose any legal target and continue the action.

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Rémi.

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27 Dec 2025 18:01 #116074 by alf
I think roll back is the only correct solution to a wrongly declared card.

Imagine B has 3 unlocked vampires and C has a locked vampire,
A illegally declares enter combat with an unlocked vampire from B.
Would he now be forced to enter comabt with (one of) a locked vampire of C?

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27 Dec 2025 18:20 #116075 by Rémi
Hello,

The action has been annouced. I would prefer to adjust legal targets than to give the acting player the too great opportunity to redo all their action.

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Rémi.

I am Rémi Cavaillé (), Barcelona (Spain). I was the Prince of Lyon (France) around 2003. I am now Official Judge and the 5th Prince of Barcelona.

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