Timing of the oust, pool gain, VP gain and Life Boon
11 Feb 2022 09:40 - 11 Feb 2022 10:00 #104670
by inm8
Replied by inm8 on topic Timing of the oust, pool gain, VP gain and Life Boon
Thanks for your answers and patience as usual.
Wouldn´t the template of Spying Mission be better suited here? That would remove the notion of doing something in between and instead changes the outcome of the resolution with a replacement effect.
Suggestion:
Name: Spying Mission
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Discipline: Obfuscate
+1 stealth.
Only usable if a bleed would be successful. Instead, the bleed burns no pool, is unsuccessful, and this card is put on this vampire. The next time this vampire is about to successfully bleed the same Methuselah, burn this card and this vampire gets +2 bleed.
No. "Is about to X" is right before X happens, after all replacement effects (and long after the opportunity to play Telepathic Misdirection).
The cardtext of Life Boon is quite old. A "modern" version would be something like: "Only usable if a Methuselah is about to lose their last pool. Give pool to a Methuselah to keep them in the game, and put this card in play. ..."
If Life Boon would be worded "Only usable if a Methuselah is about to lose their last pool." wouldn´t it change the timing of it to be playable before the actual resolution of a bleed which could then be followed by e.g Telepathic Counter?
Wouldn´t the template of Spying Mission be better suited here? That would remove the notion of doing something in between and instead changes the outcome of the resolution with a replacement effect.
Suggestion:
Name: Life Boon
Cardtype: Master
Out-of-turn. Boon.
Only usable when a Methuselah would be ousted.
Instead, give pool to that Methuselah to keep them in the game, and put this card in play. During each of their unlock phases, you can steal 1 pool from that Methuselah. You gain any victory point gained by that Methuselah instead of them, until you are being ousted or until you have gained 1 victory point from this card. Burn this card after you have gained 1 victory point from this card.
Spying Mission
Name: Spying Mission
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Discipline: Obfuscate


Last edit: 11 Feb 2022 10:00 by inm8.
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11 Feb 2022 11:10 - 11 Feb 2022 11:10 #104674
by Ankha
The order is: replacement effects first, then "is about to" effects.
Replied by Ankha on topic Timing of the oust, pool gain, VP gain and Life Boon
It is: "The next time this vampire is about to successfully bleed ..."Wouldn´t the template of Spying Mission be better suited here?
No, because the Methuselah has to be "about to" be ousted, that is after Major Boon, Spying Mission (first effect: "Only usable if a bleed would be successful.") etc. are played.That would remove the notion of doing something in between and instead changes the outcome of the resolution with a replacement effect.
The order is: replacement effects first, then "is about to" effects.
Last edit: 11 Feb 2022 11:10 by Ankha.
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