question-circle Keminitiri Closed Session

23 Aug 2022 07:51 - 23 Aug 2022 07:52 #106090 by lip
Quick post to ask for an official REVERSAL for reference for [LSJ 20050531] :

LSJ's argument is this: when Kemintiri is playing a card requiring a
justicar, that card treats her as being a justicar. That's why Closed
Session lets her vote. (I found this very unintuitive because I had
thought of Closed Session as applying an effect to the duration of the
referendum, not an effect resolving immediately - and it has to apply
its effect immediately on being played for it to treat Kemintiri as a
justicar. But I can't see any problems with it working the way Scott is
obviously reading it, so I'll have to revise my intution on Closed
Session. ☺︎

Sorry. I was just thinking in terms of "as played" and "while in
play". I wasn't thinking about the extended duration effects, a topic
which had already been covered in the "as a vampire" suite.

Your intuition is correct.

Kem plays Closed Session as a Camarilla justicar, but no longer
qualifiers as either a justicar or a Camarilla during the
polling, so the Closed Session will exclude her.

(Reversal of previous ruling)


Since rulings on "masking" effects have changed since and now include all duration effects.
Last edit: 23 Aug 2022 07:52 by lip.
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11 Oct 2022 06:41 #106530 by lip
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11 Oct 2022 13:43 #106540 by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Keminitiri Closed Session

Quick post to ask for an official REVERSAL for reference for [LSJ 20050531] :

LSJ's argument is this: when Kemintiri is playing a card requiring a
justicar, that card treats her as being a justicar. That's why Closed
Session lets her vote. (I found this very unintuitive because I had
thought of Closed Session as applying an effect to the duration of the
referendum, not an effect resolving immediately - and it has to apply
its effect immediately on being played for it to treat Kemintiri as a
justicar. But I can't see any problems with it working the way Scott is
obviously reading it, so I'll have to revise my intution on Closed
Session. ☺︎

Sorry. I was just thinking in terms of "as played" and "while in
play". I wasn't thinking about the extended duration effects, a topic
which had already been covered in the "as a vampire" suite.

Your intuition is correct.

Kem plays Closed Session as a Camarilla justicar, but no longer
qualifiers as either a justicar or a Camarilla during the
polling, so the Closed Session will exclude her.

(Reversal of previous ruling)


Since rulings on "masking" effects have changed since and now include all duration effects.

Correct. Closed Session sees Kemintiri as a Camarilla vampire for the duration of its effect, so she can vote.
This reversal is covered by 7/7/7 ruling .

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