Lunatic Eruption - (when does its first effect start?)
17 Oct 2022 07:45 #106578
by Rémi
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Lunatic Eruption - (when does its first effect start?) was created by Rémi
Dear all,
I have not found confirmation about those situations:
- 1 - Madness Network is in play.
I perform a successful Lunatic Eruption on an untapped Malkavian vampire controlled by my prey.
When I give the action impulse to my prey, must they activate the Lunatic Eruption through Madness Network or may they decide not to act?
- 2 - Lunatic Eruption on my own vampire
I perform a successful Lunatic Eruption on an unlocked minion I control. Does the mandatory action granted by Lunatic Eruption go up at end of the actual action or does it have to wait until my next action phase.
- 3 - Madness Network is in play - part 2..
My own Malkavian vampire has a Lunatic Eruption. Can that vampire rush during each player's turn through Madness Network?
- 4 - Enkil Cog
Am I correct to assume that any answers related to Madness Network would be the same for un unlocked Enkil Cog?
Card Text:
Lunatic Eruption:
Put this card on any ready minion. During his or her minion phase, the minion with this card must enter combat with a ready minion controlled by his or her prey as a Ⓓ action (unless the minion must hunt). Any minion may burn this card as an action.
Madness network
Put this card in play. Unlocked Malkavians can take actions in any Methuselah's minion phase (follow normal sequencing rules). Any minion can burn this card as an action that any unlocked Malkavian (in addition to the normally eligible blockers) can attempt to block.
Thanks in advance,
Rémi.
I have not found confirmation about those situations:
- 1 - Madness Network is in play.
I perform a successful Lunatic Eruption on an untapped Malkavian vampire controlled by my prey.
When I give the action impulse to my prey, must they activate the Lunatic Eruption through Madness Network or may they decide not to act?
- 2 - Lunatic Eruption on my own vampire
I perform a successful Lunatic Eruption on an unlocked minion I control. Does the mandatory action granted by Lunatic Eruption go up at end of the actual action or does it have to wait until my next action phase.
- 3 - Madness Network is in play - part 2..
My own Malkavian vampire has a Lunatic Eruption. Can that vampire rush during each player's turn through Madness Network?
- 4 - Enkil Cog
Am I correct to assume that any answers related to Madness Network would be the same for un unlocked Enkil Cog?
Card Text:
Lunatic Eruption:
Put this card on any ready minion. During his or her minion phase, the minion with this card must enter combat with a ready minion controlled by his or her prey as a Ⓓ action (unless the minion must hunt). Any minion may burn this card as an action.
Madness network
Put this card in play. Unlocked Malkavians can take actions in any Methuselah's minion phase (follow normal sequencing rules). Any minion can burn this card as an action that any unlocked Malkavian (in addition to the normally eligible blockers) can attempt to block.
Thanks in advance,
Rémi.
I am Rémi Cavaillé (), Barcelona (SPAIN). I was the Prince of Lyon (France) a long time ago around 2003
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17 Oct 2022 09:03 #106580
by Kilrauko
1. No. See Lunatic Eruptions card text referring to "his or her minion phase". Madness Network says "Unlocked Malkavians can take actions in any Methuselah's minion phase." It does not change whose minion phase it is.
2. You cannot move onwards to non-mandatory actions during your minion phase before completing mandatory actions, neither can you move on from your minion phase until all the mandatory actions have been completed. LSJ 2001 on Lunatic eruption and mandatory actions
3. No. See text on Lunatic Eruption referring to "his or her minion phase" and compare it to Madness Network's wording.
4. Yes. As Enkil Coq does not change whose minion phase it is, Lunatic Eruption works similar with it as it does with Madness Network.
Enkil Cog card text as follows;
Trust in Jan Pieterzoon.
Replied by Kilrauko on topic Lunatic Eruption - (when does its first effect start?)
Dear all,
I have not found confirmation about those situations:
- 1 - Madness Network is in play.
I perform a successful Lunatic Eruption on an untapped Malkavian vampire controlled by my prey.
When I give the action impulse to my prey, must they activate the Lunatic Eruption through Madness Network or may they decide not to act?
- 2 - Lunatic Eruption on my own vampire
I perform a successful Lunatic Eruption on an unlocked minion I control. Does the mandatory action granted by Lunatic Eruption go up at end of the actual action or does it have to wait until my next action phase.
- 3 - Madness Network is in play - part 2..
My own Malkavian vampire has a Lunatic Eruption. Can that vampire rush during each player's turn through Madness Network?
- 4 - Enkil Cog
Am I correct to assume that any answers related to Madness Network would be the same for un unlocked Enkil Cog?
Card Text:
Lunatic Eruption:
Put this card on any ready minion. During his or her minion phase, the minion with this card must enter combat with a ready minion controlled by his or her prey as a Ⓓ action (unless the minion must hunt). Any minion may burn this card as an action.
Madness network
Put this card in play. Unlocked Malkavians can take actions in any Methuselah's minion phase (follow normal sequencing rules). Any minion can burn this card as an action that any unlocked Malkavian (in addition to the normally eligible blockers) can attempt to block.
Thanks in advance,
Rémi.
1. No. See Lunatic Eruptions card text referring to "his or her minion phase". Madness Network says "Unlocked Malkavians can take actions in any Methuselah's minion phase." It does not change whose minion phase it is.
2. You cannot move onwards to non-mandatory actions during your minion phase before completing mandatory actions, neither can you move on from your minion phase until all the mandatory actions have been completed. LSJ 2001 on Lunatic eruption and mandatory actions
3. No. See text on Lunatic Eruption referring to "his or her minion phase" and compare it to Madness Network's wording.
4. Yes. As Enkil Coq does not change whose minion phase it is, Lunatic Eruption works similar with it as it does with Madness Network.
Enkil Cog card text as follows;
Name: Enkil Cog
[KoT:R, Anthology:1, 25th:1]
Cardtype: Action Modifier
Unique. Requires a vampire with capacity 10 or more. Only usable after resolution of a successful bleed against your prey.
Put this card on this vampire. This vampire gets +1 bleed. During any Methuselah's minion phase, this vampire can lock this card to take an action.
Artist: Marian Churchland; Ginés Quiñonero; Marian Churchland
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17 Oct 2022 10:10 #106582
by Rémi
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Replied by Rémi on topic Lunatic Eruption - (when does its first effect start?)
Thanks, my bad for not having noticed "minion phase" part.
Howewer, I don't understand the relevance of LSJ's post versus the 2nd situation.
I mean, and I may be wrong of course :
- Start of my minion phase, there is no Lunatic Eruption, so there is no mandatory action.
- During my minion phase, an unlocked vampire of mine has a Lunatic Eruption that has not yet trigger a mandatory action. Why does not it trigger ?
For the mandatory hunt action is triggered anytime a vampire with no blood can act.
Regards,
Rémi.
Howewer, I don't understand the relevance of LSJ's post versus the 2nd situation.
I mean, and I may be wrong of course :
- Start of my minion phase, there is no Lunatic Eruption, so there is no mandatory action.
- During my minion phase, an unlocked vampire of mine has a Lunatic Eruption that has not yet trigger a mandatory action. Why does not it trigger ?
For the mandatory hunt action is triggered anytime a vampire with no blood can act.
Regards,
Rémi.
I am Rémi Cavaillé (), Barcelona (SPAIN). I was the Prince of Lyon (France) a long time ago around 2003
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17 Oct 2022 17:52 #106586
by Ankha
Replied by Ankha on topic Lunatic Eruption - (when does its first effect start?)
It does, you have to perform the mandatory actions first before any other action. That's why LSJ explains you cannot take the action to burn the EL first.Thanks, my bad for not having noticed "minion phase" part.
Howewer, I don't understand the relevance of LSJ's post versus the 2nd situation.
I mean, and I may be wrong of course :
- Start of my minion phase, there is no Lunatic Eruption, so there is no mandatory action.
- During my minion phase, an unlocked vampire of mine has a Lunatic Eruption that has not yet trigger a mandatory action. Why does not it trigger ?
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19 Oct 2022 08:54 - 19 Oct 2022 08:54 #106598
by Rémi
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Replied by Rémi on topic Lunatic Eruption - (when does its first effect start?)
Sorry for my regular English. My question was not about burning Lunatic Eruption, I wanted to be sure that I can/have to use the other part. Let me try to rewrite my question just to be sure:
Step 1: Start of my minion phase, there is no Lunatic Eruption, so there is no mandatory action.
Step 2: During my minion phase, an unlocked vampire of mine receives Lunatic Eruption.
Step 3: That Vampire has to Rush as a mandatory action. Am I right?
Thanks in advance,
Rémi.
Step 1: Start of my minion phase, there is no Lunatic Eruption, so there is no mandatory action.
Step 2: During my minion phase, an unlocked vampire of mine receives Lunatic Eruption.
Step 3: That Vampire has to Rush as a mandatory action. Am I right?
Thanks in advance,
Rémi.
I am Rémi Cavaillé (), Barcelona (SPAIN). I was the Prince of Lyon (France) a long time ago around 2003
Enjoy Vampire: Rivals games and many other gaming activities in Barcelona (Spain) with Association Khan Jugar:
sites.google.com/view/khanjugar/
Last edit: 19 Oct 2022 08:54 by Rémi.
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19 Oct 2022 11:27 #106600
by Legion
Replied by Legion on topic Lunatic Eruption - (when does its first effect start?)
Yes, Vampire has to Rush. It is working the same way with all mandatory actions. Hunt is an example. If at the start of your minion phase Vampire A is unlocked and he has blood he may do whatever he wants. As soon as he lost all blood and still unlocked he must hunt.
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